[sf-lug] "Why?..." Re: BALUG: meeting TOMORROW!: Tu 2018-08-21 ...

Mon Aug 20 19:07:19 PDT 2018

[Quoting Michael P.]
>>So, sure, bring questions.  Might also get better responses, etc.
if the questions are asked in advance ... folks may get more time to
think about it, perhaps research/check, etc. ... might even attract some
folk(s) that are particular experts on the specific thing(s) one may have
question(s) about.

Yes!...almost exactly what I was thinking would be excellent...
I will venture forthwith to do some 'town crying' [to avoid being the
messenger]
and we'll see who comes out from behind the 'shudders'...

Could be a decent amount of folks not on the LUG mails especially newer
users
that will love to be able and do this. Only time and town crying will
tell...

Thank you...

'maestro'

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On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 5:50 PM, Michael Paoli <
Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu> wrote:

> Well, one can always bring questions, etc. to the BALUG meeting.
>
> Depending what we do/don't have on the agenda/meeting schedule,
> there's typically at least some time for general questions,
> and often quite a bit of time for general discussion/conversation
> (e.g. over dinner during meeting or portion thereof when we're not
> having a formal presentation/talk being presented to us ... and even
> then there's often opportunity for relevant questions).  So, should
> have quite ample opportunity for such tomorrow.
>
> So, sure, bring questions.  Might also get better responses, etc.
> if the questions are asked in advance ... folks may get more time to
> think about it, perhaps research/check, etc. ... might even attract some
> folk(s) that are particular experts on the specific thing(s) one may have
> question(s) about.  The list
> BALUG-Talk
> https://lists.balug.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/balug-talk
> might also be particularly useful for that.
>
> And "Why?" is often a good question.  Often there's bits in design
> philosophy, history, etc., as to why certain decisions were/weren't
> taken earlier, and what was - and wasn't done ... and why.
>
> And "just reinstall the whole distro" also, usually isn't the best answer
> either - that would also tend to mask whatever issues may be - or have been
> present.
>
> And documentation often quite covers what, and some reasonable bit of how
> (or enough to figure that out) ... but the "Why?" may be light to missing
> in the documentation ... but often that's to be found in other materials,
> e.g. history, standards, source code comments and revision history
> thereof, archives of discussion/bug/feature request forums, standards
> bodies, etc.
>
> From: maestro <maestro415 at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] BALUG: meeting TOMORROW!: Tu 2018-08-21; & other
>> BALUG News
>> Date: Mon, 20 Aug 2018 16:08:01 -0700
>>
>
> Teacher;
>> I am seeking an organized [meeting] environment that I will [for now] call
>> 'Why???'...
>>
>> This will be an open dialogue with people able to come in with their Linux
>> problems/bugs/issues
>> past, present, and hopefully not future and *NOT* just get the [SOLVED]
>> part of them but be able to
>> get concise, knowledgeable, CORRECT, and FRIENDLY answers to WHY??? it
>> happened which many
>> help pages and documentation [bless them for contributing...] do not
>> explain.
>>
>> It will also hopefully help them prevent problems/bugs/issues in the
>> future.
>>
>> It will also alleviate them dealing with; "Just re-install the whole
>> distro, but back everything up first!!!" answer.
>>
>> Do you feel this is something you may welcome at a certain meeting [I know
>> people are welcome to just stop by for help]
>> that may be posted as the 'Topic"?
>>
>> Do you [and others reading this and regular attendees] think you are
>> willing to provide the answers [especially for newer users]
>> to people that are welcomed to come and ask? Knowing ahead of time the
>> meeting may be populated with a lot of new [newer]
>> users...
>>
>> Obviously the meetings are completely open but I am asking you as the long
>> time loyal ambassador and one whom has the
>> 'finger on the pulse' of the regular attendees to those meetings if you
>> feel this is doable and there will be enough folks there
>> willing to answer the WHY???'s and be PATIENT with newer users...
>>
>>
>> Thank you for any info...
>>
>>
>> 'maestro'
>>
>>
>> message ends.
>> __________________
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 20, 2018 at 10:17 AM, Michael Paoli <
>> Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>>
>> BALUG: meeting TOMORROW!: Tu 2018-08-21; & other BALUG News
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> items, details further below:
>>> BALUG meeting TOMORROW!: Tu 2018-08-21
>>> giveaways (& wanted) (Books/publications, CDs/DVDs, hardware, ...)
>>> help BALUG! :-) - volunteering, venue, ...
>>> Twitter https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> For our 2018-08-21 (3rd Tuesday) BALUG meeting:
>>>
>>> At least presently we don't have a specific speaker/presentation lined
>>> up for this meeting, but that doesn't prevent us from having
>>> interesting and exciting meetings and discussions.  We also manage to
>>> sometimes secure/confirm a speaker too late for us to announce or fully
>>> publicize the speaker (that's happened at least twice in the past).
>>> Got questions, answers, and/or opinions? We typically have some
>>> expert(s) and/or relative expert(s) present to cover Linux and related
>>> topic areas.  Want to hear some interesting discussions on LINUX and
>>> other topics? Show up at the meeting, and feel free to bring an agenda
>>> if you wish.  Want to help ensure BALUG has speakers/presentations
>>> lined up for future meetings? Help refer speakers to us and/or
>>> volunteer to be one of the speaker coordinators.  Great food and
>>> people, and interesting conversations to be had.
>>>
>>>
>>> Please RSVP if you're planning to attend.  To do so please
>>> e-mail us a note to rsvp at balug.org
>>> indicating meeting date.  If you'll be bringing additional guest(s)
>>> please let us know total number of folks you're RSVPing for.
>>> Also please let us know any special requirements or concerns you may
>>> have (e.g. if you have any particular dietary considerations, so that
>>> we might possibly be able to accommodate you, or if yo
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=you,+or+if+yo&entry=gmail&source=g>u won't
>>> be dining
>>> with us but do wish to otherwise join our meeting).
>>>
>>>    6:30pm Tuesday, August 21st, 2018 2018-08-21
>>>    Henry's Hunan Restaurant
>>>    110 Natoma St
>>> <https://maps.google.com/?q=110+Natoma+St&entry=gmail&source=g>.
>>> (between
>>> 2nd & New Montgomery)
>>>    San Francisco, CA 94105-3704
>>>    1-415-546-4999
>>>    http://henryshunan.com/
>>>    Easy Transit/Parking Access: short walk from BART, MUNI, parking
>>>       Trip planning:  http://www.511.org/
>>>
>>> Delicious Hunan cuisine and reasonably priced.
>>>
>>> Meeting Details...
>>>
>>> Cost/Dining:
>>>     The meetings are always free, but dinner is not (unless you are our
>>>     guest speaker, in which case we also treat you to dinner).  For
>>>     Henry's Hunan Restaurant, if folks are agreeable, we'll share and
>>>     dine "family" style, and split up the costs, and typical cost per
>>>     person including tax and tip (but not including beverages beyond
>>>     complementary tea) would be in the $13.00 to $20.00 range, and
>>>     commonly around $15.00 to $17.00.  Cash may be preferred to ease
>>>     splitting up the check.  One can also specifically order the
>>>     dish(es) one needs/prefers (e.g. for dietary considerations) - and
>>>     we also commonly order some dish(es) that may meet various dietary
>>>     considerations) (e.g. vegetarian, non-pork, ...).  Please arrive by
>>>     7:00 P.M., we expect to order entrees at that time, and may order
>>>     appetizer(s) and/or soup(s) anytime after 6:30 P.M.
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> We typically have various giveaway items at BALUG meetings.  We'll
>>> likely have at least the below plus additional items.
>>>
>>> CDs/DVDs/ISOs, etc. - have a look here:
>>> https://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:cds_and_images_etc
>>> Donations of blank or +-RW media, USB flash, or funding thereof,
>>> also appreciated.  See the above URL for details (and the inventory
>>> (qty.) of what we specifically have "burned" and available on-hand does
>>> also frequently change).
>>>
>>> Hardware, etc. wanted/offered!
>>>
>>> Got some (computer, etc.) hardware, etc. you're looking to give
>>> away or acquire (or if not free, well below current fair market value),
>>> and locally?  We have a wiki page to list that - so ... see what's
>>> offered, wanted, etc.!
>>> https://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:offered_
>>> wanted_hardware_etc
>>>
>>> Books and other titles!
>>> have a peek here:
>>> https://www.wiki.balug.org/wiki/doku.php?id=balug:books_and_publications
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> help BALUG! :-) - volunteering, venue ...
>>>
>>> You can do useful and cool stuff volunteering to help BALUG.
>>>
>>> Quite a variety of opportunities to help BALUG.  Come talk to us at a
>>> meeting and/or drop us a note at: balug-contact at balug.org
>>> These opportunities may include, among other possibilities:
>>> o venue arrangement (e.g. followup on potential leads,
>>>   on-site coordination/preparations)
>>> o assist on speaker coordination/procurement, etc.
>>> o chief/assistant cat herder
>>> o assist on publicity
>>> o Linux Systems Administration (e.g. do/assist/learn, with/under some
>>>     quite experienced and skilled Linux systems administrator(s)).
>>> o webmaster, assistant webmaster, designer, graphic artist
>>> o archivist/history/retrieval/etc.
>>> o and other various/miscellaneous tasks BALUG would like to be doing
>>>     (also feel free to suggest ideas!)
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Twitter - you can also follow BALUG on Twitter:
>>> https://twitter.com/#!/BALUG_org
>>>
>>> ------------------------------
>>>
>>> Feedback on our publicity/announcements (e.g. contacts or lists where we
>>> should get our information out that we're not presently reaching, or
>>> things we should do differently): publicity-feedback at balug.org
>>>
>>
>

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