[sf-lug] UEFI motherboard available SUSE UEFI plans

[jim]

    Do you plan to purchase an Apple laptop and install 
Gentoo on it? 

    What are the possibilities for creating our own 
certificates (individually or via the open source 
community)? 




On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 18:24 -0700, Andrew Udvare wrote:
> Well, at least the option is there and it is disable-able, for *this*
> machine.
> 
> 
> But the fact remains that manufacturers (including those that sell
> motherboards retail to those amongst us who build our systems
> ourselves) are under *no* obligation to add this option.
> 
> 
> For those like me who build their system nearly entirely (Gentoo user
> here), and build their own machines, this is a pretty big concern. And
> I do like to use Gentoo on laptops too. And again there the problem
> remains (which is why I plan to buy Apple laptops as long as they
> don't do anything similar; they already had EFI, years ahead and ELILO
> works there). So while Apple laptops may not be the best for
> performance (especially when compared by price), I might have to stick
> with that if UEFI without the ability to disable becomes prevalent.
> 
> 
> Support Apple here. At least they do not do this crap on their laptops
> and machines (note I didn't mention iOS devices).
> 
> 
> I would not mind having a secure boot mechanism for security reasons.
> I don't think UEFI Secure Boot is the answer to the problem. Windows
> is the only system that is so stupidly coded it needs crap like that.
> Plus, who turns on and off their systems so much? ONLY Windows (and
> lately, Ubuntu). Even a Mac stays on for months at a time since
> updates are less frequent, due to the security actually being good and
> most updates not requiring a reboot.
> 
> 
> So far we have three betraying distros (who decided to sign the deal
> with the devil AKA Microsoft), and anyone using these should stop
> using them immediately and let them know:
> Ubuntu
> Fedora
> SUSE/Novell (why am I not surprised?)
> 
> 
> We should be extremely concerned. There is no option in place like
> 'buy your own certificate' and even if there was, it is ludicrous to
> pay to run different software on hardware you own.
> 
> 
> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_38597b4306f77aa3569456ed4b0d0db6.xml
> 
> 
> Andrew
> 
> On Saturday, 11 August 2012, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
>             Stories give details.
>         
>         <http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Aldi-PC-becomes-first-retail-PC-with-UEFI-Secure-Boot-1635893.html>
>         
>             SUSE story:
>         
>         <http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/SUSE-details-its-Secure-Boot-plans-1664699.html>
>         
>             A bit shorter and more comprehensible (to me).
>         
>         <http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/SUSE-details-its-Secure-Boot-plans-1664699.html>
>         
>             Comment on the plans of SUSE from a Fedora devloper
>         
>         <http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/15818.html>
>         
>             It is the end of my day for useful reading so I am not
>         sure I understand much of what is being said.
>         
>             Bobbie Sellers
>         
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