[sf-lug] UEFI motherboard available SUSE UEFI plans

[Andrew Udvare]

On Sunday, 12 August 2012, jim wrote:

>
>     Do you plan to purchase an Apple laptop and install
> Gentoo on it?
>

Since I already do this with the MacBook Air my work gave me, I don't see
why this option will not be viable in the near future. I'm not saying years
from now. Who knows what Apple might do.

They have been getting a bit more proprietary in the last 5 years to the
point that TextMate released its 2.0-beta source code in part to make a
point. It's one of the most popular text editors on Mac besides Sublime
(where Sublime is not open source) and I imagine TextMate will not be
appearing in the Mac App Store for a long time unless that is the only way
in (say for example, that the only other way eventually on OS X to run
untrusted code is to 'jailbreak' (find an exploit); then it might end up
being similar to the Windows 8 situation).


>
>     What are the possibilities for creating our own
> certificates (individually or via the open source
> community)?
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, 2012-08-11 at 18:24 -0700, Andrew Udvare wrote:
> > Well, at least the option is there and it is disable-able, for *this*
> > machine.
> >
> >
> > But the fact remains that manufacturers (including those that sell
> > motherboards retail to those amongst us who build our systems
> > ourselves) are under *no* obligation to add this option.
> >
> >
> > For those like me who build their system nearly entirely (Gentoo user
> > here), and build their own machines, this is a pretty big concern. And
> > I do like to use Gentoo on laptops too. And again there the problem
> > remains (which is why I plan to buy Apple laptops as long as they
> > don't do anything similar; they already had EFI, years ahead and ELILO
> > works there). So while Apple laptops may not be the best for
> > performance (especially when compared by price), I might have to stick
> > with that if UEFI without the ability to disable becomes prevalent.
> >
> >
> > Support Apple here. At least they do not do this crap on their laptops
> > and machines (note I didn't mention iOS devices).
> >
> >
> > I would not mind having a secure boot mechanism for security reasons.
> > I don't think UEFI Secure Boot is the answer to the problem. Windows
> > is the only system that is so stupidly coded it needs crap like that.
> > Plus, who turns on and off their systems so much? ONLY Windows (and
> > lately, Ubuntu). Even a Mac stays on for months at a time since
> > updates are less frequent, due to the security actually being good and
> > most updates not requiring a reboot.
> >
> >
> > So far we have three betraying distros (who decided to sign the deal
> > with the devil AKA Microsoft), and anyone using these should stop
> > using them immediately and let them know:
> > Ubuntu
> > Fedora
> > SUSE/Novell (why am I not surprised?)
> >
> >
> > We should be extremely concerned. There is no option in place like
> > 'buy your own certificate' and even if there was, it is ludicrous to
> > pay to run different software on hardware you own.
> >
> >
> >
> http://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-dev/msg_38597b4306f77aa3569456ed4b0d0db6.xml
> >
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Saturday, 11 August 2012, Bobbie Sellers wrote:
> >             Stories give details.
> >
> >         <
> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Aldi-PC-becomes-first-retail-PC-with-UEFI-Secure-Boot-1635893.html
> >
> >
> >             SUSE story:
> >
> >         <
> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/SUSE-details-its-Secure-Boot-plans-1664699.html
> >
> >
> >             A bit shorter and more comprehensible (to me).
> >
> >         <
> http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/SUSE-details-its-Secure-Boot-plans-1664699.html
> >
> >
> >             Comment on the plans of SUSE from a Fedora devloper
> >
> >         <http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/15818.html>
> >
> >             It is the end of my day for useful reading so I am not
> >         sure I understand much of what is being said.
> >
> >             Bobbie Sellers
> >
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