[sf-lug] computer work at a public school this Saturday

[Dan Murphy]

Ok, my 2 cents.....

How about something like "working on computers at a school".  Unless
its a terrorist school, or has billions of dollars, seems like it's a
good cause.  (If they have billions of dollars, I'd expect to get
paid)

Thereby avoiding the whole issue.

On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Paul Ward <dssstrkl at gmail.com> wrote:
> In a past life working for government contractors, its been my experience
> that federal and state agencies are very particular about how they spend
> their money. There's a reason why both the contract and grant applications,
> as well as preliminary and final reports tend to be as thick as your arm.
>
> The companies I worked for, OTOH, tended to blow money like it was going out
> of style. Not saying my experience is the rule, but private industry has a
> lot of overhead that government lacks.
>
> --
> Paul Ward
>
> dssstrkl at gmail.com
> @dssstrkl
> dssstrkl.com
>
> On Friday, July 27, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Andrew Udvare wrote:
>
> I am somewhat in support of calling these public schools being that they use
> public funding (and no, it would be better if it went to a 'real' public
> school; government ALWAYS waste money; NEVER let the government touch any
> money ever for any reason). I blame unions for most government failures.
>
> Charter school are usually open by first come first serve. Does that make
> them public? And a number of spots are often raffled because teacher's
> unions HATE charter schools because charter schools do a better job and the
> teacher's unions cannot let this information out. They call this being
> 'fair' (as if a lottery can be fair). In case you do not already know:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Rhee#Chancellor_of_D.C._public_schools
> . You can also watch 'Waiting for Superman' on YouTube.
>
> Just my 2 cents.
> Andrew
>
> On Friday, 27 July 2012, Sean wrote:
>
> Good one. I agree with both of you, actually, but these do not seem to be
> for-pay private schools for those who can afford it.  Understandably they
> are
> different from the usual municipal school district, but if still paid for by
> taxes and free of tuition and (_presumably_) open to all; that's public
> enough
> to not be called private.  We could split hairs and call it 'alternative'
> and
> debate who owns the land, but the words "public" and "school" when together
> not
> sacrosanct.
>
> Anyone can follow Christian's references and read-up on the back story.
> There
> is no subterfuge intended here.
>
> FWIW I do hope to join this particular activity on some future occasion.
>
>
> On 07/27/2012 01:29 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com
>> <mailto:rick at linuxmafia.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     Quoting Jeff Bragg (jackofnotrades at gmail.com
>> <mailto:jackofnotrades at gmail.com>):
>>
>>     > I believe you are missing Rick's point, which is not about whether
>> or not
>>     > public or private schools are a good thing, but rather about whether
>> or not
>>     > the school Christian refers to is in fact a public school.  Rick's
>> point,
>>     > if I understand correctly, is that the school in question is not
>> actually a
>>     > public school.
>>
>>
>>
>>     Regardless of one's view, Christian's repeated misrepresentation of
>> fact
>>
>>
>> Rick and I have a difference of opinion.  Neither Rick nor I have
>> misrepresented
>> a fact.  All the facts that I stated are true.  Any child in California
>> can
>> attend any KIPP school for free.  If KIPP is not public, who is paying for
>> that
>> child's tuition?  Answer:  taxes, just like all other public schools.
>> Rick is
>> not disputing that any child can attend KIPP for free.
>>
>> Rick, are you saying that KIPP is a private school?  If KIPP and Creative
>> Arts
>> Charter School (CACS) are private schools, how can they stay in business
>> if they
>> don't charge tuition?
>>
>> That is why I say there is a mere difference of opinion here.  An opinion
>> is a
>> conclusion drawn from facts.  The fact is that KIPP is funded by taxes;
>> the fact
>> is that the kids attend for free; but the KIPP administrators and cannot
>> be
>> fired by the SFUSD.  Instead, SFUSD must prove that there are grounds to
>> revoke
>> the KIPP charter.  Grounds normally include poor performance.  Based on
>> these
>> facts, Rick _opines_ that KIPP is private.  I am _opining_ that KIPP is
>> public.
>> There are no misrepresentation of facts here; but a difference of how we
>> are
>> interpreting agreed upon facts.
>>
>> In either case, we will be installing Linux computers there this Saturday,
>> at
>> O'Farrell and Pierce, from 1 pm to 4 pm.  Call me at 415-351-1300 so that
>> I can
>> let you into the school when you arrive.
>>
>>
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