[sf-lug] computer work at a public school this Saturday

[Paul Ward]

In a past life working for government contractors, its been my experience that federal and state agencies are very particular about how they spend their money. There's a reason why both the contract and grant applications, as well as preliminary and final reports tend to be as thick as your arm. 

The companies I worked for, OTOH, tended to blow money like it was going out of style. Not saying my experience is the rule, but private industry has a lot of overhead that government lacks.  

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Paul Ward

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On Friday, July 27, 2012 at 2:35 PM, Andrew Udvare wrote:

> I am somewhat in support of calling these public schools being that they use public funding (and no, it would be better if it went to a 'real' public school; government ALWAYS waste money; NEVER let the government touch any money ever for any reason). I blame unions for most government failures.
> 
> Charter school are usually open by first come first serve. Does that make them public? And a number of spots are often raffled because teacher's unions HATE charter schools because charter schools do a better job and the teacher's unions cannot let this information out. They call this being 'fair' (as if a lottery can be fair). In case you do not already know: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Rhee#Chancellor_of_D.C._public_schools . You can also watch 'Waiting for Superman' on YouTube. 
> 
> Just my 2 cents.
> Andrew
> 
> On Friday, 27 July 2012, Sean wrote:
> > Good one. I agree with both of you, actually, but these do not seem to be
> > for-pay private schools for those who can afford it.  Understandably they are
> > different from the usual municipal school district, but if still paid for by
> > taxes and free of tuition and (_presumably_) open to all; that's public enough
> > to not be called private.  We could split hairs and call it 'alternative' and
> > debate who owns the land, but the words "public" and "school" when together not
> > sacrosanct.
> > 
> > Anyone can follow Christian's references and read-up on the back story.  There
> > is no subterfuge intended here.
> > 
> > FWIW I do hope to join this particular activity on some future occasion.
> > 
> > 
> > On 07/27/2012 01:29 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com (javascript:;)
> > > <mailto:rick at linuxmafia.com (javascript:;)>> wrote:
> > >
> > >     Quoting Jeff Bragg (jackofnotrades at gmail.com (javascript:;) <mailto:jackofnotrades at gmail.com (javascript:;)>):
> > >
> > >     > I believe you are missing Rick's point, which is not about whether or not
> > >     > public or private schools are a good thing, but rather about whether or not
> > >     > the school Christian refers to is in fact a public school.  Rick's point,
> > >     > if I understand correctly, is that the school in question is not actually a
> > >     > public school.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >     Regardless of one's view, Christian's repeated misrepresentation of fact
> > >
> > >
> > > Rick and I have a difference of opinion.  Neither Rick nor I have misrepresented
> > > a fact.  All the facts that I stated are true.  Any child in California can
> > > attend any KIPP school for free.  If KIPP is not public, who is paying for that
> > > child's tuition?  Answer:  taxes, just like all other public schools.  Rick is
> > > not disputing that any child can attend KIPP for free.
> > >
> > > Rick, are you saying that KIPP is a private school?  If KIPP and Creative Arts
> > > Charter School (CACS) are private schools, how can they stay in business if they
> > > don't charge tuition?
> > >
> > > That is why I say there is a mere difference of opinion here.  An opinion is a
> > > conclusion drawn from facts.  The fact is that KIPP is funded by taxes; the fact
> > > is that the kids attend for free; but the KIPP administrators and cannot be
> > > fired by the SFUSD.  Instead, SFUSD must prove that there are grounds to revoke
> > > the KIPP charter.  Grounds normally include poor performance.  Based on these
> > > facts, Rick _opines_ that KIPP is private.  I am _opining_ that KIPP is public.
> > > There are no misrepresentation of facts here; but a difference of how we are
> > > interpreting agreed upon facts.
> > >
> > > In either case, we will be installing Linux computers there this Saturday, at
> > > O'Farrell and Pierce, from 1 pm to 4 pm.  Call me at 415-351-1300 so that I can
> > > let you into the school when you arrive.
> > >
> > >
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