[sf-lug] computer work at a public school this Saturday

[Andrew Udvare]

I am somewhat in support of calling these public schools being that they
use public funding (and no, it would be better if it went to a 'real'
public school; government ALWAYS waste money; NEVER let the government
touch any money ever for any reason). I blame unions for most government
failures.

Charter school are usually open by first come first serve. Does that make
them public? And a number of spots are often raffled because teacher's
unions HATE charter schools because charter schools do a better job and the
teacher's unions cannot let this information out. They call this being
'fair' (as if a lottery can be fair). In case you do not already know:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michelle_Rhee#Chancellor_of_D.C._public_schools .
You can also watch 'Waiting for Superman' on YouTube.

Just my 2 cents.
Andrew

On Friday, 27 July 2012, Sean wrote:

> Good one. I agree with both of you, actually, but these do not seem to be
> for-pay private schools for those who can afford it.  Understandably they
> are
> different from the usual municipal school district, but if still paid for
> by
> taxes and free of tuition and (_presumably_) open to all; that's public
> enough
> to not be called private.  We could split hairs and call it 'alternative'
> and
> debate who owns the land, but the words "public" and "school" when
> together not
> sacrosanct.
>
> Anyone can follow Christian's references and read-up on the back story.
>  There
> is no subterfuge intended here.
>
> FWIW I do hope to join this particular activity on some future occasion.
>
>
> On 07/27/2012 01:29 PM, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 27, 2012 at 1:04 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com<javascript:;>
> > <mailto:rick at linuxmafia.com <javascript:;>>> wrote:
> >
> >     Quoting Jeff Bragg (jackofnotrades at gmail.com <javascript:;> <mailto:
> jackofnotrades at gmail.com <javascript:;>>):
> >
> >     > I believe you are missing Rick's point, which is not about whether
> or not
> >     > public or private schools are a good thing, but rather about
> whether or not
> >     > the school Christian refers to is in fact a public school.  Rick's
> point,
> >     > if I understand correctly, is that the school in question is not
> actually a
> >     > public school.
> >
> >
> >
> >     Regardless of one's view, Christian's repeated misrepresentation of
> fact
> >
> >
> > Rick and I have a difference of opinion.  Neither Rick nor I have
> misrepresented
> > a fact.  All the facts that I stated are true.  Any child in California
> can
> > attend any KIPP school for free.  If KIPP is not public, who is paying
> for that
> > child's tuition?  Answer:  taxes, just like all other public schools.
>  Rick is
> > not disputing that any child can attend KIPP for free.
> >
> > Rick, are you saying that KIPP is a private school?  If KIPP and
> Creative Arts
> > Charter School (CACS) are private schools, how can they stay in business
> if they
> > don't charge tuition?
> >
> > That is why I say there is a mere difference of opinion here.  An
> opinion is a
> > conclusion drawn from facts.  The fact is that KIPP is funded by taxes;
> the fact
> > is that the kids attend for free; but the KIPP administrators and cannot
> be
> > fired by the SFUSD.  Instead, SFUSD must prove that there are grounds to
> revoke
> > the KIPP charter.  Grounds normally include poor performance.  Based on
> these
> > facts, Rick _opines_ that KIPP is private.  I am _opining_ that KIPP is
> public.
> > There are no misrepresentation of facts here; but a difference of how we
> are
> > interpreting agreed upon facts.
> >
> > In either case, we will be installing Linux computers there this
> Saturday, at
> > O'Farrell and Pierce, from 1 pm to 4 pm.  Call me at 415-351-1300 so
> that I can
> > let you into the school when you arrive.
> >
> >
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