[conspire] wtf ? sonic

[Tony Godshall]

Taking it back public...

On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Tony Godshall <tony at of.net> wrote:

>
> Like Rick, I don't take conversations private without a good reason
>
> When I ordered mine they told me ujp front there's no way I'd get the ideal
> 20 given the distance and in fact I started getting 2mbps like you and over
> time as it has learned it has crept up to 4mbps and stayed there pretty
> consistently.  And it's plenty good enough for what I need.
>
> And stop saying they advertise that you'll get 20... they advertise "up to"
> 20mps.  You can argue that using weasel words is sleasy but dropping words
> that change meaning dishonest.
>
> Tony
>
>
>
> On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:32 AM, bruce coston <jane_ikari at yahoo.com>wrote:
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>> No , I don't expect to occasionally see up to 1/10th of advertised unless
>> we're talking cable modem isp.'s . Occasionally seeing 2mps. for something
>> advertised as 20mps. when in another country you'd really get near 40mps.
>> for that price says something = very wrong here . One does reasonably expect
>> to see half of advertised unless on cable . Maybe my parents foolishly
>> agreed to pay more for worse service vs. other sonic customers . We
>> certainly saw a price increase just after service started approaching
>> reliable and now it's kinda flaky again .
>>  - Pity I don't have the political pull around here . -
>>  - Bruce
>> --- On *Thu, 5/26/11, Tony Godshall <tony at of.net>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: Tony Godshall <tony at of.net>
>> Subject: Re: [conspire] wtf ? sonic
>> To: "bruce coston" <jane_ikari at yahoo.com>
>> Cc: conspire at linuxmafia.com
>> Date: Thursday, May 26, 2011, 3:18 PM
>>
>>
>> http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/
>>
>> Do you know what "at up to" means?  In this case it means
>> you get this speed if you are next door to the CO.
>>
>> Dude, you kinda sound like you just got off the boat. You
>> need to start reading the asterisks and the weasel words
>> too, not just the headline.  Seriously, have you had no
>> exposure to the kind of people who write sales brochures?
>>
>> T
>>
>>
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>> On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:11 PM, bruce coston <jane_ikari at yahoo.com<http://mc/compose?to=jane_ikari@yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>>
>> Sonic lloked good when we first signed up and we do have a flaky line
>> problem - but . The listed price for a 1 line fusion = what we pay now +-
>> 10% . Our line never acts as a max of 20 mps. line , never seems to get
>> beyond 2 . Initially we paid a rate half what we do now . Maybe this just
>> represents expiration of an initial rate . But in Japan our current rate
>> would get 40mps. , as the usual thing . Sonic's customer service rates many
>> universes better than our last " provider " . Pity I can't get throught the
>> local politics to get anything changed here though . Does one often see 10x
>> rate differences between the initial offer and your ongoing experience , I
>> can imagine that happening with cable . - Bruce
>>
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>> Today's Topics:
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>>    1. Re: ISP (Daniel Gimpelevich)
>>    2. Re: ISP (Rick Moen)
>>    3. Re: ISP (Deirdre Saoirse Moen)
>>    4. Re: ISP (Deirdre Saoirse Moen)
>>    5. Re: ISP (Luke S Crawford)
>>    6. Re: ISP (Daniel Gimpelevich)
>>    7. Re: ISP (Daniel Gimpelevich)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:18:17 -0700
>> From: Daniel Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us<http://mc/compose?to=daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
>> >
>> To: conspire at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>
>> Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
>> Message-ID: <1306354697.29682.22.camel at chimera>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 09:57 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
>> > So, it's still residential aDSL, and thus still requires that the
>> > telco
>> > PTSN local loop be available, exactly the same as with Raw Bandwidth.
>> > You just have a relatively lucky situation where it was active only to
>> > the demarc point (perhaps for service to neighbours?) and the
>> > Sonic.net
>> > employee was willing to lean on AT&T until they were no longer
>> > gratuitously obstructive monopolists.
>>
>> No. With Fusion, Sonic.net _is_ your CLEC, and the only thing you ever
>> need to hear from AT&T again is the harassment from their retentions
>> department. Personally, I have had DSLExtreme ever since DSLDesigns went
>> kablooey in 2002, and they are not what they used to be. If Fusion were
>> at all available in my current area, I would have left DSLExtreme in
>> seconds flat. Raw Bandwidth _may_ have the same ADSL2+ service that
>> Sonic.net calls "Fusion" but _only_ on the peninsula. AT&T is barred
>> from owning the local loops for ADSL2+ service, and no one else can own
>> the ones for regular old ADSL. I predict a conversation with Mike Durkin
>> in the future of multiple readers of this post.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:26:23 -0700
>> From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com>
>> >
>> To: conspire at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>
>> Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
>> Message-ID: <20110525202623.GN4536 at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=20110525202623.GN4536@linuxmafia.com>
>> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>>
>> Quoting Daniel Gimpelevich (daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us<http://mc/compose?to=daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
>> ):
>>
>> > No. With Fusion, Sonic.net _is_ your CLEC, and the only thing you ever
>> > need to hear from AT&T again is the harassment from their retentions
>> > department.
>>
>> Ah, that's different.  That was initial unclear from Tony's posting.
>>
>>    About Fusion Phone Services
>>
>>    Fusion delivers our fastest residential broadband, plus traditional
>>    home phone service, at a non-traditional price point! Choose from one
>>    or two lines, unlimited nationwide home phone service.
>>
>> http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/
>>
>> > Raw Bandwidth _may_ have the same ADSL2+ service that
>> > Sonic.net calls "Fusion" but _only_ on the peninsula.
>>
>> I might indeed inquire with Mike Durkin about ADSL2+.  Certainly, we have
>> no lover whatsoever of Pacific Telephone^W^WPacBell^WSBC^AT&T.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:36:23 -0700
>> From: "Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <deirdre at deirdre.net<http://mc/compose?to=deirdre@deirdre.net>
>> >
>> To: "Rick Moen" <rick at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com>>,
>> "conspire at linuxmafia.com <http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>"
>>     <conspire at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
>> Message-ID: <xs9mCAxN.1306355783.7988680.dsmoen at davie.textdrive.com<http://mc/compose?to=xs9mCAxN.1306355783.7988680.dsmoen@davie.textdrive.com>
>> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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>> On 5/25/2011, "Rick Moen" <rick at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/
>> >
>> >> Raw Bandwidth _may_ have the same ADSL2+ service that
>> >> Sonic.net calls "Fusion" but _only_ on the peninsula.
>> >
>> >I might indeed inquire with Mike Durkin about ADSL2+.  Certainly, we have
>> >no lover whatsoever of Pacific Telephone^W^WPacBell^WSBC^AT&T.
>>
>> I just checked a couple of sources; we're 12k feet from the home office
>> and I haven't found a site that says we're eligible for ADSL2+.
>>
>> Deirdre
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:37:12 -0700
>> From: "Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <deirdre at deirdre.net<http://mc/compose?to=deirdre@deirdre.net>
>> >
>> To: "Rick Moen" <rick at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com>>,
>> "conspire at linuxmafia.com <http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>"
>>     <conspire at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
>> Message-ID: <ij3rQwaR.1306355832.1981400.dsmoen at davie.textdrive.com<http://mc/compose?to=ij3rQwaR.1306355832.1981400.dsmoen@davie.textdrive.com>
>> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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>> But, FYI, Sonic says their fusion service is available at our house.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: 25 May 2011 16:48:32 -0400
>> From: Luke S Crawford <lsc at prgmr.com <http://mc/compose?to=lsc@prgmr.com>
>> >
>> To: "Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <deirdre at deirdre.net<http://mc/compose?to=deirdre@deirdre.net>
>> >
>> Cc: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com>>,
>> "conspire at linuxmafia.com <http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>"
>>     <conspire at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>
>> >
>> Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
>> Message-ID: <m37h9ea4m7.fsf at luke.xen.prgmr.com<http://mc/compose?to=m37h9ea4m7.fsf@luke.xen.prgmr.com>
>> >
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>>
>> "Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <deirdre at deirdre.net<http://mc/compose?to=deirdre@deirdre.net>>
>> writes:
>>
>> > But, FYI, Sonic says their fusion service is available at our house.
>>
>>
>> Eh, I have the sonic 'fusion' service at my office... when I bought it
>> I got the bonded version.  did not work very well at all.
>> We ended up disabling one line, and it worked fairly well.
>> I ended up canceling the bonded service and just paying
>> for the 1 line 'fusion' and I'm pretty happy with the speeds.
>> It's fast and fairly reliable.
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 6
>> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:53:11 -0700
>> From: Daniel Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us<http://mc/compose?to=daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
>> >
>> To: conspire at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>
>> Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
>> Message-ID: <1306360391.29682.28.camel at chimera>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 13:36 -0700, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:
>> > I just checked a couple of sources; we're 12k feet from the home
>> > office
>> > and I haven't found a site that says we're eligible for ADSL2+.
>> >
>> > Deirdre
>>
>> Sonic.net does not care about that. They will provision ADSL2+ at _any_
>> distance. Raw Bandwidth would likely do the same if you can get their
>> ADSL2+.
>>
>> As for Luke's comments, I thought it went without saying that
>> single-line service is the way to go. Two-line (bonded) service
>> absolutely necessitates the use of proprietary Cisco gear as the CPE
>> (customer premises equipment) as opposed to BYO devices that may run
>> OpenWrt on a handful of ADSL2+ SoC's.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Message: 7
>> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 15:10:35 -0700
>> From: Daniel Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us<http://mc/compose?to=daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
>> >
>> To: conspire at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>
>> Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
>> Message-ID: <1306361435.29682.29.camel at chimera>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
>>
>> On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 14:53 -0700, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote:
>> > On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 13:36 -0700, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:
>> > > I just checked a couple of sources; we're 12k feet from the home
>> > > office
>> > > and I haven't found a site that says we're eligible for ADSL2+.
>> > >
>> > > Deirdre
>> >
>> > Sonic.net does not care about that. They will provision ADSL2+ at _any_
>> > distance. Raw Bandwidth would likely do the same if you can get their
>> > ADSL2+.
>> >
>> > As for Luke's comments, I thought it went without saying that
>> > single-line service is the way to go. Two-line (bonded) service
>> > absolutely necessitates the use of proprietary Cisco gear as the CPE
>> > (customer premises equipment) as opposed to BYO devices that may run
>> > OpenWrt on a handful of ADSL2+ SoC's.
>>
>> Did I mention that Fusion comes with complementary 6in4 tunnels also?
>>
>>
>>
>>
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