[conspire] wtf ? sonic

Thu May 26 15:18:26 PDT 2011

http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/

Do you know what "at up to" means?  In this case it means
you get this speed if you are next door to the CO.

Dude, you kinda sound like you just got off the boat. You
need to start reading the asterisks and the weasel words
too, not just the headline.  Seriously, have you had no
exposure to the kind of people who write sales brochures?

T

On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:11 PM, bruce coston <jane_ikari at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Sonic lloked good when we first signed up and we do have a flaky line
> problem - but . The listed price for a 1 line fusion = what we pay now +-
> 10% . Our line never acts as a max of 20 mps. line , never seems to get
> beyond 2 . Initially we paid a rate half what we do now . Maybe this just
> represents expiration of an initial rate . But in Japan our current rate
> would get 40mps. , as the usual thing . Sonic's customer service rates many
> universes better than our last " provider " . Pity I can't get throught the
> local politics to get anything changed here though . Does one often see 10x
> rate differences between the initial offer and your ongoing experience , I
> can imagine that happening with cable . - Bruce
>
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>    1. Re: ISP (Daniel Gimpelevich)
>    2. Re: ISP (Rick Moen)
>    3. Re: ISP (Deirdre Saoirse Moen)
>    4. Re: ISP (Deirdre Saoirse Moen)
>    5. Re: ISP (Luke S Crawford)
>    6. Re: ISP (Daniel Gimpelevich)
>    7. Re: ISP (Daniel Gimpelevich)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:18:17 -0700
> From: Daniel Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us<http://mc/compose?to=daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
> >
> To: conspire at linuxmafia.com <http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>
> Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
> Message-ID: <1306354697.29682.22.camel at chimera>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
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> On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 09:57 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> > So, it's still residential aDSL, and thus still requires that the
> > telco
> > PTSN local loop be available, exactly the same as with Raw Bandwidth.
> > You just have a relatively lucky situation where it was active only to
> > the demarc point (perhaps for service to neighbours?) and the
> > Sonic.net
> > employee was willing to lean on AT&T until they were no longer
> > gratuitously obstructive monopolists.
>
> No. With Fusion, Sonic.net _is_ your CLEC, and the only thing you ever
> need to hear from AT&T again is the harassment from their retentions
> department. Personally, I have had DSLExtreme ever since DSLDesigns went
> kablooey in 2002, and they are not what they used to be. If Fusion were
> at all available in my current area, I would have left DSLExtreme in
> seconds flat. Raw Bandwidth _may_ have the same ADSL2+ service that
> Sonic.net calls "Fusion" but _only_ on the peninsula. AT&T is barred
> from owning the local loops for ADSL2+ service, and no one else can own
> the ones for regular old ADSL. I predict a conversation with Mike Durkin
> in the future of multiple readers of this post.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:26:23 -0700
> From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com>
> >
> To: conspire at linuxmafia.com <http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>
> Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
> Message-ID: <20110525202623.GN4536 at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=20110525202623.GN4536@linuxmafia.com>
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>
> Quoting Daniel Gimpelevich (daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us<http://mc/compose?to=daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
> ):
>
> > No. With Fusion, Sonic.net _is_ your CLEC, and the only thing you ever
> > need to hear from AT&T again is the harassment from their retentions
> > department.
>
> Ah, that's different.  That was initial unclear from Tony's posting.
>
>    About Fusion Phone Services
>
>    Fusion delivers our fastest residential broadband, plus traditional
>    home phone service, at a non-traditional price point! Choose from one
>    or two lines, unlimited nationwide home phone service.
>
> http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/
>
> > Raw Bandwidth _may_ have the same ADSL2+ service that
> > Sonic.net calls "Fusion" but _only_ on the peninsula.
>
> I might indeed inquire with Mike Durkin about ADSL2+.  Certainly, we have
> no lover whatsoever of Pacific Telephone^W^WPacBell^WSBC^AT&T.
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:36:23 -0700
> From: "Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <deirdre at deirdre.net<http://mc/compose?to=deirdre@deirdre.net>
> >
> To: "Rick Moen" <rick at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com>>,
> "conspire at linuxmafia.com <http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>"
>     <conspire at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
> Message-ID: <xs9mCAxN.1306355783.7988680.dsmoen at davie.textdrive.com<http://mc/compose?to=xs9mCAxN.1306355783.7988680.dsmoen@davie.textdrive.com>
> >
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> On 5/25/2011, "Rick Moen" <rick at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/
> >
> >> Raw Bandwidth _may_ have the same ADSL2+ service that
> >> Sonic.net calls "Fusion" but _only_ on the peninsula.
> >
> >I might indeed inquire with Mike Durkin about ADSL2+.  Certainly, we have
> >no lover whatsoever of Pacific Telephone^W^WPacBell^WSBC^AT&T.
>
> I just checked a couple of sources; we're 12k feet from the home office
> and I haven't found a site that says we're eligible for ADSL2+.
>
> Deirdre
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:37:12 -0700
> From: "Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <deirdre at deirdre.net<http://mc/compose?to=deirdre@deirdre.net>
> >
> To: "Rick Moen" <rick at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com>>,
> "conspire at linuxmafia.com <http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>"
>     <conspire at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
> Message-ID: <ij3rQwaR.1306355832.1981400.dsmoen at davie.textdrive.com<http://mc/compose?to=ij3rQwaR.1306355832.1981400.dsmoen@davie.textdrive.com>
> >
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
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> But, FYI, Sonic says their fusion service is available at our house.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 5
> Date: 25 May 2011 16:48:32 -0400
> From: Luke S Crawford <lsc at prgmr.com <http://mc/compose?to=lsc@prgmr.com>>
> To: "Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <deirdre at deirdre.net<http://mc/compose?to=deirdre@deirdre.net>
> >
> Cc: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com>>,
> "conspire at linuxmafia.com <http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>"
>     <conspire at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
> Message-ID: <m37h9ea4m7.fsf at luke.xen.prgmr.com<http://mc/compose?to=m37h9ea4m7.fsf@luke.xen.prgmr.com>
> >
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> "Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <deirdre at deirdre.net<http://mc/compose?to=deirdre@deirdre.net>>
> writes:
>
> > But, FYI, Sonic says their fusion service is available at our house.
>
>
> Eh, I have the sonic 'fusion' service at my office... when I bought it
> I got the bonded version.  did not work very well at all.
> We ended up disabling one line, and it worked fairly well.
> I ended up canceling the bonded service and just paying
> for the 1 line 'fusion' and I'm pretty happy with the speeds.
> It's fast and fairly reliable.
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:53:11 -0700
> From: Daniel Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us<http://mc/compose?to=daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
> >
> To: conspire at linuxmafia.com <http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>
> Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
> Message-ID: <1306360391.29682.28.camel at chimera>
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>
> On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 13:36 -0700, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:
> > I just checked a couple of sources; we're 12k feet from the home
> > office
> > and I haven't found a site that says we're eligible for ADSL2+.
> >
> > Deirdre
>
> Sonic.net does not care about that. They will provision ADSL2+ at _any_
> distance. Raw Bandwidth would likely do the same if you can get their
> ADSL2+.
>
> As for Luke's comments, I thought it went without saying that
> single-line service is the way to go. Two-line (bonded) service
> absolutely necessitates the use of proprietary Cisco gear as the CPE
> (customer premises equipment) as opposed to BYO devices that may run
> OpenWrt on a handful of ADSL2+ SoC's.
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 15:10:35 -0700
> From: Daniel Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us<http://mc/compose?to=daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
> >
> To: conspire at linuxmafia.com <http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com>
> Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
> Message-ID: <1306361435.29682.29.camel at chimera>
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> On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 14:53 -0700, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote:
> > On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 13:36 -0700, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:
> > > I just checked a couple of sources; we're 12k feet from the home
> > > office
> > > and I haven't found a site that says we're eligible for ADSL2+.
> > >
> > > Deirdre
> >
> > Sonic.net does not care about that. They will provision ADSL2+ at _any_
> > distance. Raw Bandwidth would likely do the same if you can get their
> > ADSL2+.
> >
> > As for Luke's comments, I thought it went without saying that
> > single-line service is the way to go. Two-line (bonded) service
> > absolutely necessitates the use of proprietary Cisco gear as the CPE
> > (customer premises equipment) as opposed to BYO devices that may run
> > OpenWrt on a handful of ADSL2+ SoC's.
>
> Did I mention that Fusion comes with complementary 6in4 tunnels also?
>
>
>
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