[conspire] wtf ? sonic

Thu May 26 15:11:41 PDT 2011

Sonic lloked good when we first signed up and we do have a flaky line problem - but . The listed price for a 1 line fusion = what we pay now +- 10% . Our line never acts as a max of 20 mps. line , never seems to get beyond 2 . Initially we paid a rate half what we do now . Maybe this just represents expiration of an initial rate . But in Japan our current rate would get 40mps. , as the usual thing . Sonic's customer service rates many universes better than our last " provider " . Pity I can't get throught the local politics to get anything changed here though . Does one often see 10x rate differences between the initial offer and your ongoing experience , I can imagine that happening with cable . - Bruce

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Subject: conspire Digest, Vol 95, Issue 26
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Date: Thursday, May 26, 2011, 12:00 PM

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   1. Re: ISP (Daniel Gimpelevich)
   2. Re: ISP (Rick Moen)
   3. Re: ISP (Deirdre Saoirse Moen)
   4. Re: ISP (Deirdre Saoirse Moen)
   5. Re: ISP (Luke S Crawford)
   6. Re: ISP (Daniel Gimpelevich)
   7. Re: ISP (Daniel Gimpelevich)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:18:17 -0700
From: Daniel Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
To: conspire at linuxmafia.com
Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
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On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 09:57 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> So, it's still residential aDSL, and thus still requires that the
> telco
> PTSN local loop be available, exactly the same as with Raw Bandwidth.
> You just have a relatively lucky situation where it was active only to
> the demarc point (perhaps for service to neighbours?) and the
> Sonic.net
> employee was willing to lean on AT&T until they were no longer
> gratuitously obstructive monopolists.

No. With Fusion, Sonic.net _is_ your CLEC, and the only thing you ever
need to hear from AT&T again is the harassment from their retentions
department. Personally, I have had DSLExtreme ever since DSLDesigns went
kablooey in 2002, and they are not what they used to be. If Fusion were
at all available in my current area, I would have left DSLExtreme in
seconds flat. Raw Bandwidth _may_ have the same ADSL2+ service that
Sonic.net calls "Fusion" but _only_ on the peninsula. AT&T is barred
from owning the local loops for ADSL2+ service, and no one else can own
the ones for regular old ADSL. I predict a conversation with Mike Durkin
in the future of multiple readers of this post.

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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:26:23 -0700
From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
To: conspire at linuxmafia.com
Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
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Quoting Daniel Gimpelevich (daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us):

> No. With Fusion, Sonic.net _is_ your CLEC, and the only thing you ever
> need to hear from AT&T again is the harassment from their retentions
> department. 

Ah, that's different.  That was initial unclear from Tony's posting.

   About Fusion Phone Services

   Fusion delivers our fastest residential broadband, plus traditional
   home phone service, at a non-traditional price point! Choose from one
   or two lines, unlimited nationwide home phone service.

http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/

> Raw Bandwidth _may_ have the same ADSL2+ service that
> Sonic.net calls "Fusion" but _only_ on the peninsula.

I might indeed inquire with Mike Durkin about ADSL2+.  Certainly, we have
no lover whatsoever of Pacific Telephone^W^WPacBell^WSBC^AT&T.

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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:36:23 -0700
From: "Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <deirdre at deirdre.net>
To: "Rick Moen" <rick at linuxmafia.com>,    "conspire at linuxmafia.com"
    <conspire at linuxmafia.com>
Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
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On 5/25/2011, "Rick Moen" <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

>http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/
>
>> Raw Bandwidth _may_ have the same ADSL2+ service that
>> Sonic.net calls "Fusion" but _only_ on the peninsula.
>
>I might indeed inquire with Mike Durkin about ADSL2+.  Certainly, we have
>no lover whatsoever of Pacific Telephone^W^WPacBell^WSBC^AT&T.

I just checked a couple of sources; we're 12k feet from the home office
and I haven't found a site that says we're eligible for ADSL2+.

Deirdre

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:37:12 -0700
From: "Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <deirdre at deirdre.net>
To: "Rick Moen" <rick at linuxmafia.com>,    "conspire at linuxmafia.com"
    <conspire at linuxmafia.com>
Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
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But, FYI, Sonic says their fusion service is available at our house.

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Message: 5
Date: 25 May 2011 16:48:32 -0400
From: Luke S Crawford <lsc at prgmr.com>
To: "Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <deirdre at deirdre.net>
Cc: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>,    "conspire at linuxmafia.com"
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"Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <deirdre at deirdre.net> writes:

> But, FYI, Sonic says their fusion service is available at our house.

Eh, I have the sonic 'fusion' service at my office... when I bought it 
I got the bonded version.  did not work very well at all.
We ended up disabling one line, and it worked fairly well.   
I ended up canceling the bonded service and just paying
for the 1 line 'fusion' and I'm pretty happy with the speeds.
It's fast and fairly reliable.  

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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:53:11 -0700
From: Daniel Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
To: conspire at linuxmafia.com
Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
Message-ID: <1306360391.29682.28.camel at chimera>
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On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 13:36 -0700, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:
> I just checked a couple of sources; we're 12k feet from the home
> office
> and I haven't found a site that says we're eligible for ADSL2+.
> 
> Deirdre

Sonic.net does not care about that. They will provision ADSL2+ at _any_
distance. Raw Bandwidth would likely do the same if you can get their
ADSL2+.

As for Luke's comments, I thought it went without saying that
single-line service is the way to go. Two-line (bonded) service
absolutely necessitates the use of proprietary Cisco gear as the CPE
(customer premises equipment) as opposed to BYO devices that may run
OpenWrt on a handful of ADSL2+ SoC's.

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 15:10:35 -0700
From: Daniel Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
To: conspire at linuxmafia.com
Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP
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On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 14:53 -0700, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote:
> On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 13:36 -0700, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:
> > I just checked a couple of sources; we're 12k feet from the home
> > office
> > and I haven't found a site that says we're eligible for ADSL2+.
> > 
> > Deirdre
> 
> Sonic.net does not care about that. They will provision ADSL2+ at _any_
> distance. Raw Bandwidth would likely do the same if you can get their
> ADSL2+.
> 
> As for Luke's comments, I thought it went without saying that
> single-line service is the way to go. Two-line (bonded) service
> absolutely necessitates the use of proprietary Cisco gear as the CPE
> (customer premises equipment) as opposed to BYO devices that may run
> OpenWrt on a handful of ADSL2+ SoC's.

Did I mention that Fusion comes with complementary 6in4 tunnels also?

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