Taking it back public...<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:00 PM, Tony Godshall <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:tony@of.net">tony@of.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<br>Like Rick, I don't take conversations private without a good reason<br><br>When I ordered mine they told me ujp front there's no way I'd get the ideal 20 given the distance and in fact I started getting 2mbps like you and over time as it has learned it has crept up to 4mbps and stayed there pretty consistently. And it's plenty good enough for what I need.<br>
<br>And stop saying they advertise that you'll get 20... they advertise "up to" 20mps. You can argue that using weasel words is sleasy but dropping words that change meaning dishonest. <br><font color="#888888"><br>
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<br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, May 27, 2011 at 11:32 AM, bruce coston <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jane_ikari@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jane_ikari@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit" valign="top">No , I don't expect to occasionally see up to 1/10th of advertised unless we're talking cable modem isp.'s . Occasionally seeing 2mps. for something advertised as 20mps. when in another country you'd really get near 40mps. for that price says something = very wrong here . One does reasonably expect to see half of advertised unless on cable . Maybe my parents foolishly agreed to pay more for worse service vs. other sonic customers . We certainly saw a price increase just after service started approaching reliable and now it's kinda flaky again . <br>
- Pity I don't have the political pull around here . - <br> - Bruce<br>--- On <b>Thu, 5/26/11, Tony Godshall <i><<a href="mailto:tony@of.net" target="_blank">tony@of.net</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px">
<br>From: Tony Godshall <<a href="mailto:tony@of.net" target="_blank">tony@of.net</a>><br>Subject: Re:
[conspire] wtf ? sonic<br>To: "bruce coston" <<a href="mailto:jane_ikari@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jane_ikari@yahoo.com</a>><br>Cc: <a href="mailto:conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br>
Date: Thursday, May 26, 2011, 3:18 PM<div><div></div><div><br><br><div><a rel="nofollow" href="http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/" target="_blank">http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/</a><br>
<br>Do you know what "at up to" means? In this case it means <br>you get this speed if you are next door to the CO.<br>
<br>Dude, you kinda sound like you just got off the boat. You<br>need to start reading the asterisks and the weasel words<br>too, not just the headline. Seriously, have you had no<br>exposure to the kind of people who write sales brochures?<br>
<br>T<br><br><br><br><div>On Thu, May 26, 2011 at 3:11 PM, bruce coston <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=jane_ikari@yahoo.com" target="_blank">jane_ikari@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"><tbody><tr><td style="font:inherit" valign="top">Sonic lloked good when we first signed up and we do have a flaky line problem - but . The listed price for a 1 line fusion = what we pay now +- 10% . Our line never acts as a max of 20 mps. line , never seems to get beyond 2 . Initially we paid a rate half what we do now . Maybe this just represents expiration of an initial rate . But in Japan our current rate would get 40mps. , as the usual thing . Sonic's customer service rates many universes better than our last " provider " . Pity I can't get throught the local politics to get anything changed here though . Does one often see 10x rate differences between the initial offer and your ongoing experience , I can imagine that happening with cable . - Bruce<br>
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<br><br>Today's Topics:<br><br> 1. Re: ISP (Daniel Gimpelevich)<br> 2. Re: ISP (Rick Moen)<br> 3. Re: ISP (Deirdre Saoirse Moen)<br> 4. Re: ISP (Deirdre Saoirse Moen)<br> 5. Re: ISP (Luke S Crawford)<br> 6. Re: ISP (Daniel Gimpelevich)<br>
7. Re: ISP (Daniel Gimpelevich)<br><br><br>----------------------------------------------------------------------<br><br>Message: 1<br>Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:18:17 -0700<br>From: Daniel Gimpelevich <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us" target="_blank">daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us</a>><br>
To: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP<br>Message-ID: <1306354697.29682.22.camel@chimera><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>
<br>On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 09:57 -0700, Rick Moen wrote:<br>> So, it's still residential aDSL, and thus still requires that the<br>> telco<br>> PTSN local loop be available, exactly the same as with Raw Bandwidth.<br>
> You just have a relatively lucky situation where it was active only to<br>> the demarc point (perhaps for service to neighbours?) and the<br>> Sonic.net<br>> employee was willing to lean on AT&T until they were no longer<br>
> gratuitously obstructive monopolists.<br><br>No. With Fusion, Sonic.net _is_ your CLEC, and the only thing you ever<br>need to
hear from AT&T again is the harassment from their retentions<br>department. Personally, I have had DSLExtreme ever since DSLDesigns went<br>kablooey in 2002, and they are not what they used to be. If Fusion were<br>
at all available in my current area, I would have left DSLExtreme in<br>seconds flat. Raw Bandwidth _may_ have the same ADSL2+ service that<br>Sonic.net calls "Fusion" but _only_ on the peninsula. AT&T is barred<br>
from owning the local loops for ADSL2+ service, and no one else can own<br>the ones for regular old ADSL. I predict a conversation with Mike Durkin<br>in the future of multiple readers of this post.<br><br><br><br><br><br>
------------------------------<br><br>Message: 2<br>Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:26:23 -0700<br>From: Rick Moen <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>><br>
To: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP<br>Message-ID: <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=20110525202623.GN4536@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">20110525202623.GN4536@linuxmafia.com</a>><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br>
<br>Quoting Daniel Gimpelevich (<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us" target="_blank">daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us</a>):<br><br>> No. With Fusion, Sonic.net _is_ your CLEC, and the only thing you ever<br>
> need to hear from AT&T again is the harassment from their retentions<br>> department. <br><br>Ah, that's different. That was initial unclear from Tony's posting.<br><br> About Fusion Phone Services<br>
<br> Fusion delivers our fastest residential broadband, plus traditional<br> home
phone service, at a non-traditional price point! Choose from one<br> or two lines, unlimited nationwide home phone service.<br><br><a rel="nofollow" href="http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/" target="_blank">http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/</a><br>
<br>> Raw Bandwidth _may_ have the same ADSL2+ service that<br>> Sonic.net calls "Fusion" but _only_ on the peninsula.<br><br>I might indeed inquire with Mike Durkin about ADSL2+. Certainly, we have<br>no lover whatsoever of Pacific Telephone^W^WPacBell^WSBC^AT&T.<br>
<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 3<br>Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:36:23 -0700<br>From: "Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=deirdre@deirdre.net" target="_blank">deirdre@deirdre.net</a>><br>
To: "Rick Moen" <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>>,
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Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP<br>Message-ID: <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=xs9mCAxN.1306355783.7988680.dsmoen@davie.textdrive.com" target="_blank">xs9mCAxN.1306355783.7988680.dsmoen@davie.textdrive.com</a>><br>
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<br>On 5/25/2011, "Rick Moen" <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>> wrote:<br><br>><a rel="nofollow" href="http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/" target="_blank">http://sonic.net/solutions/home/internet/fusion/</a><br>
><br>>> Raw Bandwidth _may_ have the same ADSL2+ service that<br>>>
Sonic.net calls "Fusion" but _only_ on the peninsula.<br>><br>>I might indeed inquire with Mike Durkin about ADSL2+. Certainly, we have<br>>no lover whatsoever of Pacific Telephone^W^WPacBell^WSBC^AT&T.<br>
<br>I just checked a couple of sources; we're 12k feet from the home office<br>and I haven't found a site that says we're eligible for ADSL2+.<br><br>Deirdre<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>
Message: 4<br>Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 13:37:12 -0700<br>From: "Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=deirdre@deirdre.net" target="_blank">deirdre@deirdre.net</a>><br>To: "Rick Moen" <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>>, "<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a>"<br>
<<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP<br>Message-ID: <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=ij3rQwaR.1306355832.1981400.dsmoen@davie.textdrive.com" target="_blank">ij3rQwaR.1306355832.1981400.dsmoen@davie.textdrive.com</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1<br><br>But, FYI, Sonic says their fusion service is available at our house.<br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 5<br>Date: 25 May 2011 16:48:32 -0400<br>
From: Luke S Crawford <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=lsc@prgmr.com" target="_blank">lsc@prgmr.com</a>><br>To: "Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=deirdre@deirdre.net" target="_blank">deirdre@deirdre.net</a>><br>
Cc: Rick Moen <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>>, "<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a>"<br>
<<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a>><br>Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP<br>Message-ID: <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=m37h9ea4m7.fsf@luke.xen.prgmr.com" target="_blank">m37h9ea4m7.fsf@luke.xen.prgmr.com</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii<br><br>"Deirdre Saoirse Moen" <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=deirdre@deirdre.net" target="_blank">deirdre@deirdre.net</a>> writes:<br><br>> But, FYI, Sonic says their fusion service is available at our house.<br>
<br><br>Eh, I have the sonic 'fusion' service at my office... when I bought it <br>I got the bonded version. did not
work very well at all.<br>We ended up disabling one line, and it worked fairly well. <br>I ended up canceling the bonded service and just paying<br>for the 1 line 'fusion' and I'm pretty happy with the speeds.<br>
It's fast and fairly reliable. <br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 6<br>Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 14:53:11 -0700<br>From: Daniel Gimpelevich <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us" target="_blank">daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us</a>><br>
To: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP<br>Message-ID: <1306360391.29682.28.camel@chimera><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br>
<br>On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 13:36 -0700, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:<br>> I just checked a couple of sources; we're 12k feet from the
home<br>> office<br>> and I haven't found a site that says we're eligible for ADSL2+.<br>> <br>> Deirdre<br><br>Sonic.net does not care about that. They will provision ADSL2+ at _any_<br>distance. Raw Bandwidth would likely do the same if you can get their<br>
ADSL2+.<br><br>As for Luke's comments, I thought it went without saying that<br>single-line service is the way to go. Two-line (bonded) service<br>absolutely necessitates the use of proprietary Cisco gear as the CPE<br>
(customer premises equipment) as opposed to BYO devices that may run<br>OpenWrt on a handful of ADSL2+ SoC's.<br><br><br><br><br><br>------------------------------<br><br>Message: 7<br>Date: Wed, 25 May 2011 15:10:35 -0700<br>
From: Daniel Gimpelevich <<a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us" target="_blank">daniel@gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us</a>><br>To: <a rel="nofollow" href="http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br>
Subject: Re: [conspire] ISP<br>Message-ID: <1306361435.29682.29.camel@chimera><br>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"<br><br>On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 14:53 -0700, Daniel Gimpelevich wrote:<br>> On Wed, 2011-05-25 at 13:36 -0700, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:<br>
> > I just checked a couple of sources; we're 12k feet from the home<br>> > office<br>> > and I haven't found a site that says we're eligible for ADSL2+.<br>> > <br>> > Deirdre<br>
> <br>> Sonic.net does not care about that. They will provision ADSL2+ at _any_<br>> distance. Raw Bandwidth would likely do the same if you can get their<br>> ADSL2+.<br>> <br>> As for Luke's comments, I thought it went without saying that<br>
> single-line service is the way to go. Two-line (bonded) service<br>> absolutely necessitates the use of proprietary Cisco gear as the
CPE<br>> (customer premises equipment) as opposed to BYO devices that may run<br>> OpenWrt on a handful of ADSL2+ SoC's.<br><br>Did I mention that Fusion comes with complementary 6in4 tunnels also?<br><br><br>
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