[sf-lug] Last Sunday's SF-LUG meeting notes-1

Fri Dec 8 15:00:21 PST 2023

Aaron/Bobbie,

great notes.

my nuc was a mode, NUC5PPYH (P4 processor)
I also played with zorin beta version 17 via a live distro.  Looks nice and worked well

John
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> On Dec 8, 2023, at 2:18 PM, aaronco36 <aaronco36 at sdf.org> wrote:
> 
> Last Sunday's SF-LUG meeting notes-1
> 
> Thanks to Bobbie S for her providing comprehensive notes not using the
> geany IDE and text editor[01] am simultaneously using ;-) and to Michael P
> for his his input w/in his previous SF-LUG posting[02] re: Sunday's online
> meeting.
> 
> Ken S and John S were first there and Ken S probably logged on first
> beforehand. Afterwards, Bobbie S joined the Jit.si Meet meeting, then
> Victor and then myself (Aaron C) ~11:10am, then Robert J, Jonathan D, and
> Michael P.
> 
> Discussion ranged from John's recent vacation in Spain and Portugal to his
> ZorinOS and another Linux distro installation(s), and his demonstrating
> the small mini-computer Intel NUC something similar to the model
> 5i5MYHE(?).
> Ken has learned how to install Window 11 on older machines without
> certain hardwares that Microsoft demands are necessary.
> 
> Bobbie and others were discussing the perhaps unlikely possibility of
> having future live, in-person meetings at Cafe Enchante vs. the Jit.si
> Meet meetups we've still been having online ever since the Pandemic.
> Bobbie mentioned some recent news regarding the impending changes to
> Wayland replacing Xorg; related link [03].
> 
> Bobbie and John discussed store closures (e.g., Fog City News), as well as
> places where one could still find hardcopy printed material on Linux, and
> various Linux books; tangentially-related links [04] and [05].
> Bobbie mentioned that Nitrux's new filesystem tree is called the Aesthetic
> File Hierarchy system[06] and "you see system, applicatons and users.
> This time it is built on top of the standard file tree but they hope to
> completely replace the Linux file tree."
> 
> Robert has been injured by his physical work over a period of years
> which has given him lots of time to study Unix and Linux.  He mentioned a
> book he saw after one of the last BALUG meetings -- might have been _UNIX
> and Linux Security_(?) He noted speed of Unix boot.  He believes that
> Linux is due to break out with the demands of Windows 11 being so great.
> 
> Robert also mentioned issues with his AT&T internet service, referring
> back to his original mid-June 2023 posting 'Using Linux with AT&T internet
> service.'[07]
> -- the last timely SF-LUG posting on the subject was Rick M's w/in five
> days of the OP's[08].
> -- besides Rick M's candid responses on the subject at that time, were
> replies by Ken, Bobbie, Michael, Jim S, and Tom L; see related thread
> postings [09] thru [10].
> -- Michael discussed the AT&T subject as he elaborated upon further in his
> previous posting[02] and related link[11]
> 
> According to Bobbie, Jonathan exposed us to a number of books including
> _Understanding the Digital World: What You Need to Know about Computers,
> the Internet, Privacy, and Security_ / Brian W. Kernighan[12]. At the time
> of the meeting, that book had not arrived yet. He (Jonathan) also
> advocated for his preferred *BSD, namely, OpenBSD[13].
> Aaron C(I) brought up the ongoing luck have been having with the recent
> release of GhostBSD v23.10.1 [14] based upon FreeBSD 13.2.
> Bobbie writes that "Jonathan told us that the person maintaining GhostBSD
> may stop due to family pressure to care for children and work to provide
> the income that FOSS does not allow."  OpenBSD seems to be the last good
> version (according to Jonathan). "He finds it comes with several tools he
> enjoys one of which is a notebook program *Jupyter *, and a math program,
> *Maxima.* [15] which is provided with excellent help."
> Aaron (I) brought up one of the *BSD's previously-discussed at an SF-LUG
> meeting w/in the last half-dozen yrs, NomadBSD[16], which is "a persistent
> live system for USB flash drives, based on FreeBSD".
> Also mentioned the fact that FreeBSD's latest stable version 14.0 was
> released less than 3wks ago[17].
> Jonathan emphasized the ongoing issues with FreeBSD's problematic support
> for hardware, e.g., wireless adapters on laptops.
> Unsure if it was at Sunday's meeting itself or from elsewhere, but someone
> else also mentioned their own take on "an estimation of the BSDs
> demise"[18] (??)
> 
> Victor was having trouble with Vi or Vim.  He needed a line number
> readout which was not happening with his document.  Michael helped to
> point Victor in the right direction, as Michael more fully described in
> the previous posting[02].
> Note there Michael's ever-enthusiastic approval of Vim over Vi (NOT!! LOL!! )
> Also see Michael's "elaboration" on the subject ;-D at [19] and at [20].
> 
> Somewhere in the meeting, shell also came up, and Michael provided this
> link on the subject[21].  Michael also provided the link[22], as well as
> further description of "more newly discovered filesystem corruption on
> guido" at [02] and [23].
> 
> My apologies for the tardiness of these meeting notes, for omitted and/or
> inaccurate mtg discussion, for omitted references, ....etc.
> 
> -Aaron C
> 
> 
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> REFERENCES:
> =================
> [01]https://www.geany.org/
> [02]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2023q4/015966.html
> [03]https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/mozilla-firefox-121-to-enable-wayland-support-by-default-on-linux/
> [04]https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2023/274/Topgrade
> [05]https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/TUXEDO-s-New-Ultraportable-Linux-Workstation-Released
> [06]https://linuxiac.com/nitrux-3-2-0-unveils-aesthetic-fhs/
> [07]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2023q2/015849.html
> [08]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2023q2/015860.html
> [09]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2023q2/015850.html
> [10]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2023q2/015859.html
> [11]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2010q1/007451.html
> [12]https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvc775pg
> [13]https://www.openbsd.org/
> [14]https://www.ghostbsd.org/
> [15]https://maxima.sourceforge.io/
> [16]https://nomadbsd.org/
> [17]https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/announce/
> [18]https://www.csoonline.com/article/564373/is-the-bsd-os-dying-some-security-researchers-think-so.html
> [19]https://www.mpaoli.net/~michael/linux/vim/vim_annoyances.txt
> [20]https://www.mpaoli.net/~michael/unix/vi
> [21]https://www.mpaoli.net/~michael/unix/sh/
> [22]https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/10-open-source-point-sale-systems-linux/
> [23]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2023-December/012541.html
> 
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