[sf-lug] Last Sunday's SF-LUG meeting notes-1

[aaronco36]

Last Sunday's SF-LUG meeting notes-1

Thanks to Bobbie S for her providing comprehensive notes not using the
geany IDE and text editor[01] am simultaneously using ;-) and to Michael P
for his his input w/in his previous SF-LUG posting[02] re: Sunday's online
meeting.

Ken S and John S were first there and Ken S probably logged on first
beforehand. Afterwards, Bobbie S joined the Jit.si Meet meeting, then
Victor and then myself (Aaron C) ~11:10am, then Robert J, Jonathan D, and
Michael P.

Discussion ranged from John's recent vacation in Spain and Portugal to his
ZorinOS and another Linux distro installation(s), and his demonstrating
the small mini-computer Intel NUC something similar to the model
5i5MYHE(?).
Ken has learned how to install Window 11 on older machines without
certain hardwares that Microsoft demands are necessary.

Bobbie and others were discussing the perhaps unlikely possibility of
having future live, in-person meetings at Cafe Enchante vs. the Jit.si
Meet meetups we've still been having online ever since the Pandemic.
Bobbie mentioned some recent news regarding the impending changes to
Wayland replacing Xorg; related link [03].

Bobbie and John discussed store closures (e.g., Fog City News), as well as
places where one could still find hardcopy printed material on Linux, and
various Linux books; tangentially-related links [04] and [05].
Bobbie mentioned that Nitrux's new filesystem tree is called the Aesthetic
File Hierarchy system[06] and "you see system, applicatons and users. 
This time it is built on top of the standard file tree but they hope to
completely replace the Linux file tree."

Robert has been injured by his physical work over a period of years
which has given him lots of time to study Unix and Linux.  He mentioned a
book he saw after one of the last BALUG meetings -- might have been _UNIX
and Linux Security_(?) He noted speed of Unix boot.  He believes that
Linux is due to break out with the demands of Windows 11 being so great.

Robert also mentioned issues with his AT&T internet service, referring
back to his original mid-June 2023 posting 'Using Linux with AT&T internet
service.'[07]
-- the last timely SF-LUG posting on the subject was Rick M's w/in five
days of the OP's[08].
-- besides Rick M's candid responses on the subject at that time, were
replies by Ken, Bobbie, Michael, Jim S, and Tom L; see related thread
postings [09] thru [10].
-- Michael discussed the AT&T subject as he elaborated upon further in his
previous posting[02] and related link[11]

According to Bobbie, Jonathan exposed us to a number of books including
_Understanding the Digital World: What You Need to Know about Computers,
the Internet, Privacy, and Security_ / Brian W. Kernighan[12]. At the time
of the meeting, that book had not arrived yet. He (Jonathan) also
advocated for his preferred *BSD, namely, OpenBSD[13].
Aaron C(I) brought up the ongoing luck have been having with the recent
release of GhostBSD v23.10.1 [14] based upon FreeBSD 13.2.
Bobbie writes that "Jonathan told us that the person maintaining GhostBSD
may stop due to family pressure to care for children and work to provide
the income that FOSS does not allow."  OpenBSD seems to be the last good
version (according to Jonathan). "He finds it comes with several tools he
enjoys one of which is a notebook program *Jupyter *, and a math program,
*Maxima.* [15] which is provided with excellent help."
Aaron (I) brought up one of the *BSD's previously-discussed at an SF-LUG
meeting w/in the last half-dozen yrs, NomadBSD[16], which is "a persistent
live system for USB flash drives, based on FreeBSD".
Also mentioned the fact that FreeBSD's latest stable version 14.0 was
released less than 3wks ago[17].
Jonathan emphasized the ongoing issues with FreeBSD's problematic support
for hardware, e.g., wireless adapters on laptops.
Unsure if it was at Sunday's meeting itself or from elsewhere, but someone
else also mentioned their own take on "an estimation of the BSDs
demise"[18] (??)

Victor was having trouble with Vi or Vim.  He needed a line number
readout which was not happening with his document.  Michael helped to
point Victor in the right direction, as Michael more fully described in
the previous posting[02].
Note there Michael's ever-enthusiastic approval of Vim over Vi (NOT!! LOL!! )
Also see Michael's "elaboration" on the subject ;-D at [19] and at [20].

Somewhere in the meeting, shell also came up, and Michael provided this
link on the subject[21].  Michael also provided the link[22], as well as
further description of "more newly discovered filesystem corruption on
guido" at [02] and [23].

My apologies for the tardiness of these meeting notes, for omitted and/or
inaccurate mtg discussion, for omitted references, ....etc.

-Aaron C


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REFERENCES:
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[01]https://www.geany.org/
[02]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2023q4/015966.html
[03]https://www.linuxtoday.com/news/mozilla-firefox-121-to-enable-wayland-support-by-default-on-linux/
[04]https://www.linux-magazine.com/Issues/2023/274/Topgrade
[05]https://www.linux-magazine.com/Online/News/TUXEDO-s-New-Ultraportable-Linux-Workstation-Released
[06]https://linuxiac.com/nitrux-3-2-0-unveils-aesthetic-fhs/
[07]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2023q2/015849.html
[08]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2023q2/015860.html
[09]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2023q2/015850.html
[10]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2023q2/015859.html
[11]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2010q1/007451.html
[12]https://www.jstor.org/stable/j.ctvc775pg
[13]https://www.openbsd.org/
[14]https://www.ghostbsd.org/
[15]https://maxima.sourceforge.io/
[16]https://nomadbsd.org/
[17]https://www.freebsd.org/releases/14.0R/announce/
[18]https://www.csoonline.com/article/564373/is-the-bsd-os-dying-some-security-researchers-think-so.html
[19]https://www.mpaoli.net/~michael/linux/vim/vim_annoyances.txt
[20]https://www.mpaoli.net/~michael/unix/vi
[21]https://www.mpaoli.net/~michael/unix/sh/
[22]https://www.linux.com/training-tutorials/10-open-source-point-sale-systems-linux/
[23]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/conspire/2023-December/012541.html

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