[sf-lug] iris.well.com is unknown (meta)

Thu Jan 10 11:21:51 PST 2019

JS;
grant bowman put up a damn decent 'how to' for irc on grantbow.com [and
some other sites as well]...
if you are so inclined to check out what all the 'one-liners' are about...
and there is a bay area ubuntu irc which some that follow this mail list
are on but it's not very 'populated'...

message ends.

/'m'/

On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 10:47 AM James Stockford <jim at well.com> wrote:

>
> Michael,
> I did not create the subject Wifi woes,
> someone else did that. For the subject
> of the message to which you responded
> I had written "iris.well.com is unknown".
> (I don't know how '(meta)' got up there
> in this message.) I have verified my claims
> of the Subject by seeing such in my
> Thunderbird Sent "folder".
>
> See attached screenshot showing Subject and timestamp
>
>
> On 1/9/19 11:36 PM, Michael Paoli wrote:
> >> From: "James Stockford" <jim at well.com>
> >> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] iris.well.com is unknown <---!!
> >> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 22:43:16 -0800
> >
> >> The subject is "iris.well.com is unknown"
> > Yes, because I changed the Subject: header.  These things don't happen
> > by magic.  You responded and, ooh, almost by magic - but definitely not -
> > by default ... you get the same Subject: header ... that I'd set.
> JS: What do you mean "Subject: header"?
>
> >
> >> I did not mention "wifi" in the previous post.
> >
> > Your previous post started with:
> > Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Wi-Fi woes
> > So please explain to us all how that is not mentioning Wi-Fi/wifi.
> > Not only is it mentioned, but it's mentioned first, and foremost -
> > well before anything else, and before even *looking* at anything else.
> > There's your opportunity to well and clearly specify what you wish to
> > discuss or announce or such, and it says ... Wi-Fi woes.
> > JS: I did not write that, someone else wrote that in lieu
> > of a previous subject.
> >
> > Y' know, whole lot 'o folks actually look at the Subject:
> > header, and it matters, many might look and see:
> > Re: [sf-lug] Wi-Fi woes
> > And think - I'd be more than happy to answer a relevant DNS question,
> > but I'm sick of Wi-Fi cr*p ... [DELETE]
> > And maybe the exact assistance you were looking for is a lost opportuntiy
> > because you couldn't bother to update the Subject: header.
> > It really gets annoying and tiresome after a while.
> > Maybe I'll stop responding to messages - at least from some chronic
> > offenders - that can't be bothered to reasonably update their
> > Subject: headers
> JS: I don't understand what you mean by "Subject: headers"(or "Subject
> header");
> is this technical terminology referring to some kind of email header that
> has to do with the Subject field?
> >
> >> For sure it is not wifi because my laptop only
> >> lets me use a wired connection to my internet
> >> access device.
> >
> > Great, then don't have it under pretense of Wi-Fi.
> I didn't.
> >
> >>>> From: "James Stockford" <jim at well.com>
> >>>> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Wi-Fi woes
> >>>> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 12:27:04 -0800
> >>>
> >>>> I've discovered another post-disaster symptom
> >
> > And also ...
> > How many millions of people died in this disaster?
> > Uhm, thousands?
> > Okay, how many human fatalities?
> > Uh, ... zero, eh?
> > Serious human injuries?
> > Serious risk to life/property/environment/species?  How many were at
> > risk?
> > I don't think I caught reference to it on the news, do you have a
> > credible
> > reference to such?
> > Disaster, huh?
> JS: For me, it's been a disaster, but for the last
> couple of transmissions from me I have not
> mentioned wifi.
> >
> > Maybe you want to try or switch to a different forum type, that's
> > typically significantly more tolerant of inaccurate and incomplete
> > submissions, e.g. much more interactive, such as IRC.
> > Many distros have support (also) via IRC, some/many of 'em even have
> > quite highly excellent support there.  Many of them also log, and save
> > and make that available continuously (or nearly so), or with (about)
> > daily updates of each day's log being posted (and sometimes the
> > saving and posting may or may not be something the distro does/supports,
> > sometimes other(s) add it as "feature").
> > JS: The sf-lug mailing list is open to anyone who has problems
> > with Linux. My guess is that such people are less than thoroughly
> > familiar with terms and concepts, especially if their problems are
> > impactful to the point of frustration and panic. I have written some
> > things that are erroneous, but I don't think I deserve snide replies.
> >
> > JS: For the last six or so years I have become discouraged, party because
> > of the many changes in Ubuntu and partly because of the flame-war
> > types of responses that I believe are not helpful. You and Rick blame
> > me for mis-stating my problems, which is discouraging in itself, and
> > adds weariness to my ability to read what may be helpful.
> > Note, if you can, and no blame at this point if you can not, that in
> > one of my early requests for help I asked for suggestions of commands
> > I should run so I can send the output to help clarify. I don't think I am
> > responsible for most of the bloat in these recent threads--I have tried
> > politely to respond to your criticisms.
>
> > Though for some such, on IRC, they might more-or-less expect folks to
> > first at least reasonably check the relevant resources/information
> > first (e.g. if you're hoppin' on to report and complain about a bug, and
> > haven't even bothered to check if it's a known reported bug, one may
> > typically expect such behavior to be frowned upon ... something much
> > more appropriate might be like asking some particular question about
> > a known reported bug that wouldn't really be appropriate for the
> > bug tracking, but that folks may be able to point to relevant resource
> > or information to get the question answered).
> > JS: I have never done such. I look for similar problems based on
> > text that my system presents, as best I can discover them.
> > I am not in the habit of using IRCs; I am not familiar with them and
> > do not usually think to use them.
> >
> >
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