<div dir="ltr">JS;<div>grant bowman put up a damn decent 'how to' for irc on <a href="http://grantbow.com">grantbow.com</a> [and some other sites as well]...</div><div>if you are so inclined to check out what all the 'one-liners' are about...</div><div>and there is a bay area ubuntu irc which some that follow this mail list are on but it's not very 'populated'...</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>message ends.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>/'m'/</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Thu, Jan 10, 2019 at 10:47 AM James Stockford <<a href="mailto:jim@well.com">jim@well.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><br>
Michael,<br>
I did not create the subject Wifi woes,<br>
someone else did that. For the subject<br>
of the message to which you responded<br>
I had written "<a href="http://iris.well.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">iris.well.com</a> is unknown".<br>
(I don't know how '(meta)' got up there<br>
in this message.) I have verified my claims<br>
of the Subject by seeing such in my<br>
Thunderbird Sent "folder".<br>
<br>
See attached screenshot showing Subject and timestamp<br>
<br>
<br>
On 1/9/19 11:36 PM, Michael Paoli wrote:<br>
>> From: "James Stockford" <<a href="mailto:jim@well.com" target="_blank">jim@well.com</a>><br>
>> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] <a href="http://iris.well.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">iris.well.com</a> is unknown <---!!<br>
>> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 22:43:16 -0800<br>
><br>
>> The subject is "<a href="http://iris.well.com" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">iris.well.com</a> is unknown"<br>
> Yes, because I changed the Subject: header. These things don't happen<br>
> by magic. You responded and, ooh, almost by magic - but definitely not -<br>
> by default ... you get the same Subject: header ... that I'd set.<br>
JS: What do you mean "Subject: header"?<br>
<br>
><br>
>> I did not mention "wifi" in the previous post.<br>
><br>
> Your previous post started with:<br>
> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Wi-Fi woes<br>
> So please explain to us all how that is not mentioning Wi-Fi/wifi.<br>
> Not only is it mentioned, but it's mentioned first, and foremost -<br>
> well before anything else, and before even *looking* at anything else.<br>
> There's your opportunity to well and clearly specify what you wish to<br>
> discuss or announce or such, and it says ... Wi-Fi woes.<br>
> JS: I did not write that, someone else wrote that in lieu<br>
> of a previous subject.<br>
><br>
> Y' know, whole lot 'o folks actually look at the Subject:<br>
> header, and it matters, many might look and see:<br>
> Re: [sf-lug] Wi-Fi woes<br>
> And think - I'd be more than happy to answer a relevant DNS question,<br>
> but I'm sick of Wi-Fi cr*p ... [DELETE]<br>
> And maybe the exact assistance you were looking for is a lost opportuntiy<br>
> because you couldn't bother to update the Subject: header.<br>
> It really gets annoying and tiresome after a while.<br>
> Maybe I'll stop responding to messages - at least from some chronic<br>
> offenders - that can't be bothered to reasonably update their<br>
> Subject: headers<br>
JS: I don't understand what you mean by "Subject: headers"(or "Subject <br>
header");<br>
is this technical terminology referring to some kind of email header that<br>
has to do with the Subject field?<br>
><br>
>> For sure it is not wifi because my laptop only<br>
>> lets me use a wired connection to my internet<br>
>> access device.<br>
><br>
> Great, then don't have it under pretense of Wi-Fi.<br>
I didn't.<br>
><br>
>>>> From: "James Stockford" <<a href="mailto:jim@well.com" target="_blank">jim@well.com</a>><br>
>>>> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Wi-Fi woes<br>
>>>> Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2019 12:27:04 -0800<br>
>>><br>
>>>> I've discovered another post-disaster symptom<br>
><br>
> And also ...<br>
> How many millions of people died in this disaster?<br>
> Uhm, thousands?<br>
> Okay, how many human fatalities?<br>
> Uh, ... zero, eh?<br>
> Serious human injuries?<br>
> Serious risk to life/property/environment/species? How many were at <br>
> risk?<br>
> I don't think I caught reference to it on the news, do you have a <br>
> credible<br>
> reference to such?<br>
> Disaster, huh?<br>
JS: For me, it's been a disaster, but for the last<br>
couple of transmissions from me I have not<br>
mentioned wifi.<br>
><br>
> Maybe you want to try or switch to a different forum type, that's<br>
> typically significantly more tolerant of inaccurate and incomplete<br>
> submissions, e.g. much more interactive, such as IRC.<br>
> Many distros have support (also) via IRC, some/many of 'em even have<br>
> quite highly excellent support there. Many of them also log, and save<br>
> and make that available continuously (or nearly so), or with (about)<br>
> daily updates of each day's log being posted (and sometimes the<br>
> saving and posting may or may not be something the distro does/supports,<br>
> sometimes other(s) add it as "feature").<br>
> JS: The sf-lug mailing list is open to anyone who has problems<br>
> with Linux. My guess is that such people are less than thoroughly<br>
> familiar with terms and concepts, especially if their problems are<br>
> impactful to the point of frustration and panic. I have written some<br>
> things that are erroneous, but I don't think I deserve snide replies.<br>
><br>
> JS: For the last six or so years I have become discouraged, party because<br>
> of the many changes in Ubuntu and partly because of the flame-war<br>
> types of responses that I believe are not helpful. You and Rick blame<br>
> me for mis-stating my problems, which is discouraging in itself, and<br>
> adds weariness to my ability to read what may be helpful.<br>
> Note, if you can, and no blame at this point if you can not, that in<br>
> one of my early requests for help I asked for suggestions of commands<br>
> I should run so I can send the output to help clarify. I don't think I am<br>
> responsible for most of the bloat in these recent threads--I have tried<br>
> politely to respond to your criticisms.<br>
<br>
> Though for some such, on IRC, they might more-or-less expect folks to<br>
> first at least reasonably check the relevant resources/information<br>
> first (e.g. if you're hoppin' on to report and complain about a bug, and<br>
> haven't even bothered to check if it's a known reported bug, one may<br>
> typically expect such behavior to be frowned upon ... something much<br>
> more appropriate might be like asking some particular question about<br>
> a known reported bug that wouldn't really be appropriate for the<br>
> bug tracking, but that folks may be able to point to relevant resource<br>
> or information to get the question answered).<br>
> JS: I have never done such. I look for similar problems based on<br>
> text that my system presents, as best I can discover them.<br>
> I am not in the habit of using IRCs; I am not familiar with them and<br>
> do not usually think to use them.<br>
><br>
><br>
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