[sf-lug] systemd criticism

[Jeff Bragg]

Here are a couple of links from my history that explain some of the
relevant issues.  The first link is an article, the second discussion about
it, as far as I can tell.

http://ewontfix.com/14/
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7210064


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 2:25 PM, Jeff Bragg <jackofnotrades at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Brian:  Yes, it does.  Sorry, I probably should have provided some warning.
>
> Akkana:  It is light on concrete criticisms.  I've come across discussions
> with more detail, I just didn't have the links to hand when I sent this.
> I'll try to track them back down and add them here.
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Akkana Peck <akkana at shallowsky.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Jeff Bragg:
>> >> I'm sympathetic to the points made here.
>> >>
>> >> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/12/459
>>
>> I think I'm sympathetic, but ... what are the actual points?
>> I see a lot of flameage, and a lot of namecalling, and no concrete
>> reasons he hates systemd so much, no details on how it messed up
>> his system.
>>
>> It would be a lot more helpful to write about regressions caused by
>> systemd. Like:
>>
>> Brian Wood writes:
>> > I accidentally got a lot of junk in my log file... the same error
>> > over and over.  i tried to find a way to clean out the junk, but
>>
>> A couple of lines like that contain more detail than Christopher
>> Barry's whole rant. Or:
>>
>> > wasn't able to in part because the log was in binary.
>>
>> Binary logs? Really? Now that's a good concrete argument against
>> systemd.
>>
>> I haven't delved into systemd much, and I'm curious to hear about
>> the good and bad about it. I did fight with upstart quite a bit, and
>> found it a big step backward from SysV init files -- mostly because
>> everything was done with undocumented compiled binaries rather than
>> self-documenting shell scripts, so if you wanted to change anything
>> about the boot process, you had to download (sometimes quite a lot
>> of) C source, read it, and maybe rebuild and install it. I gather
>> that's true of systemd too, and that it affects a lot more of the
>> system than upstart (more than just boot).
>>
>> But I haven't hit any actual problems with systemd yet on Jessie
>> or Sid.  So I'm curious to hear what the problems are, and their
>> workarounds, since I'm sure I'll hit them eventually.  "systemd is a
>> trojan. systemd is a medusa ... groups with agendas ... just don't
>> believe in freedom" just isn't very enlightening.
>>
>>         ...Akkana
>>
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