[sf-lug] systemd criticism

[Jeff Bragg]

Brian:  Yes, it does.  Sorry, I probably should have provided some warning.

Akkana:  It is light on concrete criticisms.  I've come across discussions
with more detail, I just didn't have the links to hand when I sent this.
I'll try to track them back down and add them here.


On Tue, Aug 26, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Akkana Peck <akkana at shallowsky.com> wrote:

> Jeff Bragg:
> >> I'm sympathetic to the points made here.
> >>
> >> https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/12/459
>
> I think I'm sympathetic, but ... what are the actual points?
> I see a lot of flameage, and a lot of namecalling, and no concrete
> reasons he hates systemd so much, no details on how it messed up
> his system.
>
> It would be a lot more helpful to write about regressions caused by
> systemd. Like:
>
> Brian Wood writes:
> > I accidentally got a lot of junk in my log file... the same error
> > over and over.  i tried to find a way to clean out the junk, but
>
> A couple of lines like that contain more detail than Christopher
> Barry's whole rant. Or:
>
> > wasn't able to in part because the log was in binary.
>
> Binary logs? Really? Now that's a good concrete argument against
> systemd.
>
> I haven't delved into systemd much, and I'm curious to hear about
> the good and bad about it. I did fight with upstart quite a bit, and
> found it a big step backward from SysV init files -- mostly because
> everything was done with undocumented compiled binaries rather than
> self-documenting shell scripts, so if you wanted to change anything
> about the boot process, you had to download (sometimes quite a lot
> of) C source, read it, and maybe rebuild and install it. I gather
> that's true of systemd too, and that it affects a lot more of the
> system than upstart (more than just boot).
>
> But I haven't hit any actual problems with systemd yet on Jessie
> or Sid.  So I'm curious to hear what the problems are, and their
> workarounds, since I'm sure I'll hit them eventually.  "systemd is a
> trojan. systemd is a medusa ... groups with agendas ... just don't
> believe in freedom" just isn't very enlightening.
>
>         ...Akkana
>
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