[sf-lug] Ubuntu release ("back on-list" sub thread)

Ernest De Leon edeleonjr at gmail.com
Sun Apr 27 21:39:08 PDT 2008

How nice of you to revert to personal attack terms.  One can now see where
you stand.  Thanks, you have proven a lot.  :)

On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 9:17 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> Quoting bobbie sellers (bliss at california.com):
> > Of course I am totally ignorant of technical matters but I belong
> > to two other mailing lists run on different softwares which enable the
> > reply to all as standard....
> No, reply semantics is always and everywhere the same.
> 1.  Your "Reply" command reaches just the sender.
> 2.  Your "Reply-to-All" reaches the sender plus his/her other addresses.
> You should always use Reply-to-All when responding to ongoing mailing
> list threads.  Use Reply _only_ when you have some compelling reason to
> depart from the mailing list into private mail (and then please do
> explain your sudden insistence on having a private discussion with
> someone who thought he/she was participating in a public one).
> The only mailing lists on which that doesn't work are those going out of
> their way to sabotage your ability to send private replies.   On those,
> you
> must take manual further steps to overcome the artificial obstacle.
> (That scenario is illustrated below.)
> > ...which through Thunderbird permit me to reply to individuals.
> False.   Let's say that Alice sends mail to an SF-LUG list that munges
> Reply-To:.  She composes:
>  From: Alice
>  To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> Her mail hits the mailing list software, which auto-appends a forced
> Reply-To: header, as follows, and then remails a copy to
> bliss at california.com (with a different exterior envelope header, not
> shown):
>  From: alice
>  To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>  Reply-To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
> Please notice that, obscuratanist technopeasant drivel by Ernest about
> the mailing list address being the true "sender" notwithstanding, that
> is in fact _not_ the case:  Alice remains the sender.
> You (bliss at california.com) duly receive your copy in Thunderbird, and
> you hit "r" to "reply to individuals" -- which fails, because
> Thunderbird, honouring the Reply-To:, redirects your private mail back
> onto the mailing list.  The _only_ way, in that scenario, you are able
> to send offlist mail to Alice is by manually intervening to throw away
> the default reply address (which means you must first notice that you've
> been sabotaged in your intent to send private mail), and substituting
> Alice's address, e.g., from your address book or by typing it in.  Or,
> equivalently, you could eschew reply commands entirely and use
> Thunderbird's "forward" command, again putting in Alice's address
> manually (e.g., from your address book or by typing it in).
> Either way, you are having to perform extra work to get around munging's
> sabotaging of private replies.
> > This list is the first where I have to make sure I pick the mailing list
> > address....
> No.  Wrong.  You do not have to "pick the mailing list address".  Just
> use your mail program's Reply-to-All command, as above.
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Ernest de Leon

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety
deserve neither liberty nor safety." - A common 18th Century sentiment
voiced by Benjamin Franklin

"A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his
government." - Edward Abbey

"All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." -
Edmund Burke, English statesman and political philosopher (1729-1797)
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