[sf-lug] Need help with VirtualBox on openSUSE and Feisty (or Gutsy)

Ernest De Leon edeleonjr at gmail.com
Tue Apr 8 14:04:41 PDT 2008

why are you two always fighting?  :)

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 12:48 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:

> Quoting Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt at gmail.com):
> > It is not a binary outcome of failure versus success.  There are
> > shades of performance.
> I would call, in general, any significant software deployment without
> requirements analysis -- but in particular one where the customer is
> considering blowing everything away and installing Windows XP because of
> a deal-breaker requirement never identified for lack of doing
> requirements analysis -- to be functionally close to failure.  You
> evidently disagree.  Good luck with that.
> [snip a lot]
> > AFAIK, there is no WINE solution to the Adobe Premier Pro tools that the
> > school is sort of being forced to use.
> What you said the _first_ time, to which Daniel responded, is:
>  If we don't get XP working in a virtual machine, we will need to blow
>  away Linux on these machines altogether, we will need to blow away
>  Linux altogether and install XP natively, because getting Adobe
>  Elements was the justification for acquiring these machines in the
>  first place.
> Daniel's response, in part, was:
>  BTW, Elements is for photo editing, not video editing. I believe I
>  have heard reports of it being used under WINE.
> So, now it's _not_ Adobe Elements, but rather Adobe Premier Pro?
> Just as an additional big, fat clue, it's helpful, when asking for help
> online, to give the full, correct names of things, e.g., "Adobe
> Premier Elements" or "Adobe Photoshop Elements" instead of just the
> unusably vague term "Adobe Elements".[1]  Extra bonus clue:  Software
> tends
> to have version numbers, which are often crucial data.  E.g., as a
> hypothetical example, Adobe Premier Pro 1.5 for Windows might be
> supportable on current versions of WINE but Adobe Premier Pro 2.0 for
> Windows might not.
> Now, perhaps you might be starting to understand why requirements
> analysis (the competent kind, where you are clear about, and keep
> accurate records of, what all the software titles are, and what versions
> they are) is so crucial.
> Or maybe not.
> [1]  Here's my guess:  What you've variously described as "Adobe
> Elements" and "Adobe Premiere Pro" without bothering to get the
> software's name right or provide version numbers is, really, Adobe
> Premiere Elements 3.x or 4.0 for Windows -- which is an entry-level,
> limited version of the Adobe Premier Pro for Windows video-editing
> package aimed at the home market.  The schools might or might not have
> also been given freebie copies of Adobe Protoshop Elements 6.0 for
> Windows, which is an  entry-level, limited version of the Adobe
> Protoshop for Windows raster-image editor package aimed at the home
> market.
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Ernest de Leon

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