[sf-lug] Black hats declare war on Scientology

Ernest De Leon edeleonjr at gmail.com
Fri Jan 25 16:34:07 PST 2008

Agreed.  Agreed. and Grudgingly Agree....

On Jan 25, 2008 4:32 PM, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:

> hi
> On Jan 25, 2008 4:17 PM, Ernest De Leon <edeleonjr at gmail.com> wrote:
> > I think it is pretty clear who Anonymous is (if that even makes any
> > sense?), so I seriously doubt that FOSS will get the blame for Anonymous'
> > actions.
> The one thing that I have learned from practicing law and standing in
> front of juries is that they will fill in even the smallest holes with huge
> gaping errors.  Sometimes you really have to state the obvious, because what
> you and I consider to be obvious is not all that obvious to others who are
> less familiar with a case than we are.
> At any rate, that is why I posted it to this list.  I thought that it was
> an interesting sideshow, and maybe newbies might ask us about it, so we
> would at least know about it.
> > There are plenty of closed source tools that do the same.  In this
> > situation, I'm pretty sure they will be looking at the group not the tools.
> > But at the same time, the authorities (much like myself) are probably
> > sitting back laughing at what's about to happen.
> I hope you are correct.  I distinctly recall my girlfriend waking me up on
> September 11, 2001, saying "you should see this."  I had been up late the
> night before getting some documents email out for east coast deadlines, and
> so I was sleeping in.  My first impression was that the events were a
> horrible loss of life; my second impression was that the administration
> would use the events to achieve other political agendas that were near and
> dear to its heart.
> And that is my point here.  Authorities might use this attack on
> Scientology as an excuse for stepping on a roll-back on the freedoms of the
> open Internet, and we should be prepared in case that happens.
> > They really don't care and Anonymous is actually doing the world a
> > favor.  I'm all for it.
> I would like to see Scientology be exposed for the murders and fraud they
> have perpetrated.  And a small part of myself likes to see Anonymous stick
> it to them.  But illegal means are still illegal means, even if deployed
> against bad guys, and so I try to not take joy in seeing Scientology's
> servers get hammered by Anonymous.  Some things are just wrong, even if done
> for the right reasons.

Ernest de Leon

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