[conspire] Let's look at fluview

Tue Apr 28 22:49:29 PDT 2020

I don't stay home all the time.
I take long walks.
I work as a cashier at my local supermarket.
So far I haven't caught the Covid-19.
I am hoping it is because, until last January, I substitute taught for
local school districts. I worked with germy kids for years. I believe that
my immune system is stronger than average for someone my age. I hope it's
strong enough that I either don't catch the Coronavirus or I get only a
mild case. But I am at risk. I really like to work and earn money.
I believe that my daughter Rebecca had a mild case of the Coronavirus. She
was never tested. But she was sick for about a week. I have not seen her
since November. She was living in the dorms at Northeastern University in
Boston. Then Northeastern closed the dorms. Now she is staying with a
friend and her family near Ithica, NY. She and they are well. Rebecca just
finished her spring semester. Her classes turned into oline classes.
Computer science. And she was a TA for a class she took fall semester.

Elise Scher

On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, 10:30 PM Ruben Safir <ruben at mrbrklyn.com> wrote:

> On Tue, Apr 28, 2020 at 04:02:04PM -0700, Deirdre Saoirse Moen wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 28, 2020, at 10:18 AM, Ruben Safir wrote:
> > > Almost as if one cue, our department is in the news today
> > >
> > >
> https://nypost.com/2020/04/27/ive-worked-the-coronavirus-front-line-and-i-say-its-time-to-start-opening-up/
> > >
> > > Ive worked the coronavirus front line  and I say its time to start
> > > opening up
> >
> > With respect, just because y'all were hit hardest and one of the first
> doesn't mean that you were hit *last*. There are places that haven't been
> hit at all yet, or at least not apparently.
> >
> > Because until there are zero active global cases or a working vaccine
> with a real vaccination plan, it's not safe to open up. I am *truly*
> hopeful we'll have a proper vaccine soon. I have just seen bad science
> happen on this before, some of it foisted off on the third world.
> Unfortunately.
> >
> > On fishing, I agree with you, and one place I used to enjoy a lot was
> the calm spot near the covered bridge two doors down from where I lived on
> an unpaved road in Vermont. (Most roads in Vermont are unpaved simply and
> only because it's a total PITA to pave them and actually more costly and
> unsafe to do so than to leave them unpaved and level them well.)
> >
> > Here's a view of the area we used to take a canoe and fish:
> >
> >
> https://www.google.com/maps/@44.956199,-72.3930312,3a,75y,223.29h,64.72t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s9b0CjmGFy8f6RBDeHOzKng!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
> >
> > Place we used to live (this was not the place north of the Canadian
> border, which has been torn down):
> >
> >
> https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9591115,-72.389837,3a,75y,310.04h,80.52t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sgZkSKQOCfcHzdE27EMrcRA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
> >
> > My old wood shop:
> >
> >
> https://www.google.com/maps/@44.9592318,-72.389783,3a,75y,142.06h,79.32t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sd2ByTLfBoU_l7_VA2_sc7Q!2e0!7i13312!8i6656
> >
> > They seem to have removed the old corrugated steel siding, which is a
> shame because bats used to nest in it during the summer. I figured that out
> when they used to chew me out when I tried to use power tools during the
> day. In winter, they'd actually migrate further south, so it wasn't a
> problem.
> >
> > If you look at a vertical view, you'll see the land behind is dark
> green, aka swamp. Lots of beavers and moose (moose are swamp creatures,
> which I had not known). We'd get a lot of them walking through our property
> because the power line right-of-way went through.
> >
> > So, this virtual fishing visit hopefully helped a wee bit in this stir
> crazy time.
> >
> > Deirdre
> >
>
>
>
> I appreciate it, but my freedom is the only thing that will help.
>
> That and clean sweep of all the polticians that caused this, Cuomo,
> Newsom, Schumer, Murphy, DeBalsio, Pelosi, Biden ... they are all guilty
> of
> creating uncalled for hysteria, and destroying the fabric of our
> civilization.
>
> And now that they have this new power, they are not going to give
> it up.  I am looking forward to NY to actually run out of money.
>
> This is not a war.  It is a disease.
>
> The questions that need to be answered are not science, they are
> moral.  How long can people be jailed in there homes for?  Why is it
> that this response has NEVER been attempted before EVER anywhere?
>
>
> https://nypost.com/2020/04/26/wait-how-long-are-we-supposed-to-stay-in-lockdown/
>
> Wait, how long are we supposed to stay in lockdown?
>
> What are we waiting for? The question can be posed in either a wild,
> irresponsible way — or a sane, measured way. In New York, our “pause”
> will continue until at least May 15, and New Yorkers are asking, in a
> measured, sane way: What exactly are we waiting for?
>
> In the beginning, we had a goal: to flatten the curve. We were warned
> that COVID-19 would overtake our hospitals and cause a health-system
> collapse. We were to stay home to give our medical heroes a fighting
> chance.
>
> So we did, and thanks to the strength of our system, it worked. The
> Javits Center never filled up; the USS Comfort is sailing away. Three
> weeks ago, Gov. Andrew Cuomo was vowing to seize ventilators from
> upstate hospitals and send them to Gotham. Last week, we were
> dispatching our ventilators out to other states.
>
> We did our part; we flattened the curve. So why is there no move to
> loosen regulations?
>
> In February and March, expert and elite opinion seemed to understand
> that patience with lockdowns would at some point wear thin. But not
> anymore. Last week, Cuomo used a graphic in his daily presentation that
> listed the lengths of various wars and previous pandemics. The 1910
> cholera outbreak lasted a year. World War II lasted six years. And so
> on.
>
> The message: We haven’t been living through this that long, and our
> ancestors had it far worse. But if we are looking at years of lockdown,
> we need to be informed of it, we need a debate — and we need a plan.
>
> Otherwise, it isn’t relevant that the Vietnam War lasted eight years,
> and the governor has to stop shaming us for looking for a light at the
> end of this hell-tunnel.
>
> It’s also becoming apparent that staying closed is some weird poke in
> the eye to President Trump. Hyper-polarization means that if the
> president wants to awaken the nation from its devastating economic coma,
> it must mean that he and his cornpone followers are wrong. Smart people
> — who tend to have lockdown-immune jobs in academe, government and media
> — must know better, and they have a license to mock and demean.
>
> But it isn’t true, as they say, that those of us who want a roadmap to
> reopening play down the virus or minimize its deadliness. We lost a lot
> in New York. We’ve watched our friends, family and neighbors succumb to
> this horrible disease. We understand what’s at stake.
>
> But there is life beyond COVID-19, too. There are pro-life concerns on
> both sides. The pause has meant people are skipping cancer screenings.
> The lines at food pantries are scarily long. Last week, Cuomo admitted
> that domestic violence is on the rise. “Very bad.” But, he added, it’s
> “not death.” Maybe not yet. But these costs are very real, and they have
> to be tallied.
>
> No one sane is pushing to return to “normal.” Normal won’t be back for a
> long time, and no one expects it to. If restaurants, bars or movie
> theaters opened tomorrow, people still wouldn’t flock to them. We are
> walking around in masks and sanitizing our groceries. We get it — we’re
> far from normal. We just want to start on the road back. We want to know
> the road exists.
>
> It’s less that we need to know when this ends than we need to know how
> it ends. Are we waiting for deaths to fall below a certain daily number?
> What is that number? Are we waiting for hospitalizations to evaporate?
> For better treatment? For a vaccine? Antibody tests? Herd immunity? New
> Yorkers are tough, we can handle the truth.
>
> But this uncertainty can’t last, or people will decide to leap into
> irresponsibility. We need a plan, and we need it now.
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>
> I disagree with one point she makes... return to normal is exactly
> where we need to be, and we need to be there like now. If they open
> up theaters, people will go right back to them.  Synaguages, without
> a doubt.
>
> We can not survive like this.  Anyone who wants to be locked up in
> there own house is free to do so.
>
>
>
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