[sf-lug] login account for Elise: Re: Volunteering

[Elise Scher]

Thank you.
Well I am finally reading this again.
I would like to help in small ways.
I am also cashiering at a small local market for 5 years now. I am also
teaching summer school.
 Respectfully,
Elise Scher

On Thu, Apr 16, 2020 at 1:01 AM Michael Paoli <
Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu> wrote:

> Taking this (also) to list, because - why not - and to illustrate some
> points.
>
> References/excerpts - my response(/comment) bits in-line:
>
> > From: "Elise Scher" <elise.scher01 at gmail.com>
> > Subject: Re: login account for Elise: Re: [sf-lug] Volunteering
> > To: Michael Paoli <Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu>
> > Date: Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:18:13 -0700
>
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html#noprivate
> Uh huh ... sorry, not your private free consultant.
> If you've got a question highly specific to SF-LUG (or other
> stuff on the BALUG VM), and especially that nobody else could
> answer or even possibly answer, that might be reasonable to direct
> only and specifically to me.  But even in such case, if others would
> be interested, curious, or might want to know, and it's suitable for
> public disclosure, still, it ought be on list, so others can learn of
> and from it - and even find it later via searches and such.
>
> So, let's see ... SF-LUG list has ...
> http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2020q2/014649.html
> about 276 folks on there.  So, if you ask there, you might get
> answer(s)/response(s) - even useful/correct ones there,
> something on the order of 276 times faster than only asking
> specifically me.  Even if that rough guestimate is off by a
> decimal order of magnitude, you'd probably get results about 28
> times faster by asking on-list.
>
> There's also this thing called The Internet, and Search Engines.
> Perhaps you've heard.  With a bit of use of those, one can often
> find answers well in excess of 276 times faster (and typically also more
> numerous) - especially for questions that aren't highly specific to only
> me knowing the answers, or (mostly) only folks on the SF-LUG list
> knowing the answers.  "Of course", from "The Internet", typically about
> 20% of what's found is anywhere from slightly incomplete/incorrect,
> to downright wrong and dangerous.  But use of such skills
> as critical thinking, checking sources, verification, reputation(s),
> etc., are often highly useful to sort the wheat from the chaff.
>
> > So better
> > to work in this then.
> > My phone number is
> > Will I be able to do this in my new MacBook Air? Or should I fire up the
> > old, small Linux laptop?
>
> Ah, you have a new MacBook Air.  Great.  Why ask me MacBook Air
> questions?  I have no specific knowledge of MacBook Air, other than you
> claim to have a new one.  Fantastic, you know much more about
> MacBook Air than I do.  Congratulations!
>
> > On Tue, Apr 14, 2020, 7:16 AM Elise Scher <elise.scher01 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Ok. I have an idea. Let's set up a Zoom meeting. Or use something
> >> Zoom-like, if you don't like Zoom. I need some talking me through it at
> >> first please. I haven't been using any flavor of Linux lately. Just my
> >> Chromebook and Mac at home and my Windows desktop at
> >> And my Android phone.
>
> There's only one of me.  There's about 276 SF-LUG folks.  Why ask just
> me?  Makes you wait longer, and mostly wastes my time.  How to use an
> ssh client to log on to a Linux host isn't something specific to my
> knowledge that nobody else would know.  It's not even limited to
> that of SF-LUG folks.  There are probably many millions or more folks
> that not only know how to do that, but are probably even fluent in
> English and could explain it.  There are probably hundreds, if not
> thousands or more resources on The Internet that would explain how.
> Almost certainly plenty of videos too.  If you really want someone to
> walk you through it, great, but why ask only and exactly me?  Not the
> best way to go about it.
> And if you use Zoom or something like that, as long as you don't
> show/reveal your password to 'em, for the most part, it's not like it's
> anything you couldn't share showing to anyone else.
>
> >>       I do have a small Linux laptop, a former Chromebook that somebody
> >> helped me put Ubuntu on I believe.
>
> Great, sure, as explained earlier
> http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2020q2/014659.html
> lots of ssh clients available for many OS platforms, and most certainly
> also including Ubuntu - which is a distro of Linux, and Linux generally
> provides such or has such readily available to easily install.
>
> >> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 11:54 PM Elise Scher <elise.scher01 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> I think I know my userid and password.
>
> Hopefully you do - that information was communicated earlier.
> As was also the hostname as it is also found in DNS - and that last bit
> has also been covered on-list too.
>
> >>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 11:52 PM Elise Scher <elise.scher01 at gmail.com>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> How do I log in? I need more details please.
>
> http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2020q2/014659.html
>
> >>>> On Mon, Apr 13, 2020, 11:09 PM Michael Paoli <
> >>>> Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Elise,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> It's been 3 weeks now ... you've still not gotten as far as
> >>>>> logging in and changing your password.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> You should do that as soon as feasible, since also, for your
> >>>>> convenience, the *temporary* password was emailed to you in
> >>>>> the clear.  Shouldn't remain the case that password was so
> >>>>> sent, and it's still not been changed!  Please change it
> >>>>> as soon as you can.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If you fail to change the password by end of Monday, local time
> >>>>> next week (that would be slightly over 4 weeks!), I may lock the
> >>>>> account for security (note that for many sites, typical security
> >>>>> policy, after a user's password is reset, they're forced to change
> >>>>> it - if they fail to change it within something between 72 hours
> >>>>> and 10 days, the account is then locked ... you're already a hair
> >>>>> past 21 days).
> >>>>>
> >>>>> references/excerpts (redacted):
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > From: "Michael Paoli" <Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu>
> >>>>> > To: "Elise Scher" <elise.scher01 at gmail.com>
> >>>>> > Subject: Re: login account for Elise: Re: [sf-lug] Volunteering
> >>>>> > Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 08:27:03 -0700
> >>>>>
> >>>>> >> From: "Elise Scher" <elise.scher01 at gmail.com>
> >>>>> >> Subject: Re: login account for Elise: Re: [sf-lug] Volunteering
> >>>>> >> Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 22:37:39 -0700
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Elise,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Your account has been created.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I earlier provided the hostname - that's the name that can be used
> via
> >>>>> > DNS, and will consistently stay with that host.  FYI, the host is
> >>>>> > dual stack - both IPv4 and IPv6.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Login name - I used what you suggested.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Temporary password.
> >>>>> > First of all, never ever ever share or reveal your password to
> >>>>> > anyone ... not even presumably trustworthy system administrator -
> >>>>> > have no legitimate need for them to know it and should never ask
> it of
> >>>>> > you.  Also, at first login, it should force you to pick a new
> >>>>> password.
> >>>>> > Be sure to choose a good strong unique password.  The system is
> >>>>> > necessarily exposed to The Internet, and allows direct login
> >>>>> > from The Internet, so poor/weak/compromised password(s) puts
> >>>>> > everyone and everything on the host at risk.
> >>>>> > Temporary password:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> [REDACTED]
> >>>>>
> >>>>> > Let me know after you've successfully changed your password.
> >>>>> > Once that's the case, I'll update sudo (sudoers) access for you,
> >>>>> > so you can actually do some more useful stuff on there (e.g. like
> >>>>> > edit SF-LUG's web page and web content).
>
>
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