[sf-lug] brief notes on meeting of 11/7/2021...etc. belated posting again

aaronco36 aaronco36 at SDF.ORG
Sun Nov 14 21:12:59 PST 2021

Right, yet another belated topical posting, just like last month's at [01] 

Quoting Bobbie Sellers <bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com> from [02]:
> Aaron C. brought up managers for multiple Virtual  instances.
> Tom was calling in from Massachusetts maybe Boston, on his
cell phone as he walked around in nice weather.
> John P. who has been to previous meetings showed up.
> Much discussion ensued which I was unable to keep up
> ...
> ...
> NEW  Distribution Release: Raspberry Pi OS 2021-10-30
> antiX-21_x64-full.iso and all the rest of the AntiX isos are

shucks...er...umm...well... and o'course true dat, but on the same day, 
was myself successfully able to install _32bit_ antiX-21_386-full.iso (and 
other verification antiX-21_386-full.iso.* files) via the Princeton 
University Mathematics Department mirror at [03].
Onto an older netbook with 2.0 GB RAM and an SSD and antiX-21 worked Fine 
and Fast "out-of-the-box" with minimal post-install tweaking :-)

Unrelated to Rick M's post-meeting posting on ZeroTier[04], also myself 
mentioned YunoHost[05].
Quoting YunoHost's more extensive description at [06]:
YunoHost is an operating system aiming for the simplest administration of 
a server, and therefore democratize self-hosting[07], while making sure it 
stays reliable, secure, ethical and lightweight. It is a copylefted libre 
software project maintained exclusively by volunteers. Technically, it can 
be seen as a distribution based on Debian GNU/Linux[08] and can be 
installed on many kinds of hardware[09].

* Based on Debian;
* Administer your server through a friendly web interface ;
* Deploy apps in just a few clicks;
* Manage users (based on LDAP);
* Manage domain names;
* Create and restore backups;
* Connect to all apps simultaneously through the user portal (NGINX, 
* Includes a full e-mail stack (Postfix, Dovecot, Rspamd, DKIM);
* ... as well as an instant messaging server (XMPP);
* Manages SSL certificates (based on Let's Encrypt) ;
* ... and security systems (Fail2ban, yunohost-firewall);

However, and specifically quoting the caveat from [10]:
What YunoHost is not?

Even if YunoHost can handle multiple domains and multiple users, it is not 
meant to be a mutualized system.

First, the software is too young, not tested at scale and thus probably 
not optimized well enough for hundreds of users at the same time. With 
that said, we do not want to lead the software in that direction. 
Virtualization democratizes, and its usage is recommended since it is a 
more watertight way to achieve mutualization than a "full-stack" system 
like YunoHost.

You can host your friends, your family and your company safely and with 
ease, but you must trust your users, and they must trust you above all. If 
you want to provide YunoHost services for unknown persons anyway, a full 
VPS per user will be just fine, and we believe a better way to go.

Also according to [06], "The name YunoHost comes from the jargon "Y U NO 
Host". The Internet meme should illustrate it[11]."

A few other links for and about YunoHost include its brief DistroWatch 
page[12], its GitHub presence[13], and its forum web presence in English 
and in French[14].

While its latest release announcement of 'YunoHost 4.3 release / Sortie de 
YunoHost 4.3' came out ~1 1/2 wks ago at [15], can myself see from [09] 
that YunoHost's VirtualBox, Raspberry Pi, and "Regular computer"/(amd64) 
images are at the moment all release versions 4.1.x and are still on the 
past Debian 10 Stable release, _"buster"_ vs. the much more up-to-date 
Debian 11.x "bullseye" (see Debian mini release-history near bottom of 
Don't know exactly how that stable-versioning fact alone bespeaks to 
possible concerns about YunoHost's security server-hardening efforts :-\
Maybe now that Tom L has returned from his trip to the Commonwealth of 
Massachusetts, he and other Debian/RaspiOS "bullseye" users could 
shed some further light on this?



aaronco36 at sdf.org

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