[sf-lug] SF-LUG list history (partial): Re: REQUEST FOR HELP: Fwd: Mail delivery failed: returning message to sender

[Michael Paoli]

Wetware ... ah, lossy compression.

The Internet has a *long* memory, ... though sometimes spotty and/or
with "holes".

But heh, didn't take long at all ...

https://web.archive.org/web/20040813125941/http://www.sf-lug.org/

https://web.archive.org/web/20040813161324/http://virgilsoftware.com/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug

So, ... sf-lug.org domain (though list hosted elsewehre),
circa 2004 ... mailman.

Yeah, sometimes external storage and backups are a good thing.  :-)

And, that took me, like, what, about 120 seconds or so to research?

Let's see ...

https://web.archive.org/web/20060111223106/http://virgilsoftware.com:80/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug

https://web.archive.org/web/20060313202018/http://linuxmafia.com:80/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug

Oooh, and by not later than around 20060313202018, look who the listadmin
on mailman is.

Alas, looks like archive.org may have missed capturing the earlier
archives ... earlier because they weren't accessible to non-subscribers,
and somewhat later ... seems it just missed them or couldn't retrieve
them when it tried.  At least until they moved to the still current
hosting on Rick's linuxmafia.com

Oooh, and gotta love the early description on linuxmafia.com!:
sf-lug -- Temporary home for SF-LUG's mailing list
Yep, still said that also as late/recently as:
https://web.archive.org/web/20080101235322/http://linuxmafia.com:80/mailman/listinfo/sf-lug

> From: jim <jim at well.com>
> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] REQUEST FOR HELP: Fwd: Mail delivery failed:  
> returning message to sender
> Date: Wed, 29 Apr 2020 10:24:34 -0700

> i have no recollection of sf-lug using a
> mailman server other than yours.
>
> On 4/28/20 8:52 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
>> Quoting Jim Stockford (jim at well.com):
>>
>>> With respect to my reputation, here's my recollection of my involvement:
>>> 2005 used Craig's List to advertise starting up sf-lug.
>>> sat in Javacat cafe, often by myself, to host meetings.
>>> used evolution email to maintain early group communication.
>> And yet you yourself said "until we fix the mailman system for sf-lug".
>> Is Jim Stockford 2020 now saying that Jim Stockford 2005 was hallucinating?
>>
>> Moreover, in 2005 SF-LUG's then-server suddenly had some sort of
>> catastrophe, including (also) loss of the then-existing Web site.
>> And so, I naturally asked, what happened?
>>
>> And you've _still_ not answered that pretty obvious and natural
>> question.  Which, frankly, is a bit galling, given that you have
>> so frequently cost me time and effort, but when I asked *you* a
>> modest and obvious question about what happened that necessitated my
>> stepping in and providing hosting, I got fifteen years of repeated,
>> sullen silence.  And now, ignoring the question while talking around it.
>>
>>> sometime early Rick Moen offered mailman support for sf-lug.
>>> I have no recollection of sf-lug using any other mailman server. <----
>> Funny, you did in 2005.  I just got through quoting you to that effect.
>>
>>
>>> restored sf-lug and conspire email records after loss due to
>>> hardware failure.
>> You mean 'mailed me some of the offlist messages that occured during my
>> several months of downtime, but _not_ in the requested mbox format'?
>>
>> There were no loss of SF-LUG and Conspire e-mail records.  All the mail
>> that was in the archives when my motherboard failed was still there when
>> I brought the system back up on a different chassis.  What you did,
>> after I generously offered, was send -- but in disregard of what I said
>> was the needed mail format -- some offlist traffic among SF-LUG people
>> during my server downtime, because I'd offered to merge those into the
>> Mailman archive as if the server had been present to receive them.