[sf-lug] To Use Debian/systemd or Not to Use Debian/systemd (was Byfield's "Verdict"...)
aaronco36
aaronco36 at SDF.ORG
Thu Feb 6 15:48:59 PST 2020
Quoting Alex Kleider <akleider at sonic.net> from [01]:
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I don't have any "discontent", and I'm not so much "fretting" as wondering
what might be suggested in the way of something with less, call it 'bloat'
if you will. Booting up my laptop (Lenovo ThinkPad X301 as mentioned)
seems to take an inordinately long time- I've assumed (rightly or
wrongly, I'm not sure) that this was because there is a lot being loaded,
much, if not most, of which I never use.
I'm still curious if what (again, rightly or wrongly) I perceive to be a
movement away from Debian is because of systemd?
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Seems to me that Alex K's comments in the current thread are similar
enough and something of an extension to three of the threads from less
than 1 1/4 years ago entitled 'installing minimal debian and building on
that'[02], 'use 32 or 64 bit on 64 bit capable hardware: Re: installing
minimal debian and building on that'[03], and 'debian base system
(initially without X11) install progress (or lack there of!) report'[04].
Quoting Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> from [05]:
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The early years of LUGs featured a lot of people loudly trying to convince
all comers that $SOME_DISTRO was the one true way for everyone, and pretty
much immediately I classified distro-advocacy as noxious, just as
OS-advocacy had always been before it -- and I decided to never do it, if
humanly possible.
However, I know the question comes up even though I dislike it, so I FAQed
what I hope is a suitably nuanced answer as part of my personal FAQ, and
(necessary disclaimer) last updated that item a few years ago:
http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/kicking.html#distro
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Rick has recommended in that very 'kicking' FAQ[06] that "newcomers should
consider starting with Bodhi Linux, Linux Mint, Ultimate Edition, MEPIS
Linux, or PCLinuxOS, for desktop Linux machines (not Devuan/Debian)" as
well as "the (relentlessly marketed) "Ubuntu" distribution family,
comprising Ubuntu Linux / Kubuntu / Lubuntu / Xubuntu". At the same time,
it may help to be aware that there is/was _also_ the famous pejorative
saying originally brought down from either [07] or [08];
"Ubuntu is an ancient african word, meaning "I can't configure Debian""
I'd presume that this saying similarly applies to the other
n00B-recommended Ubuntu-based distros here (i.e., Bodhi Linux, Linux Mint
and Ultimate Edition) as well as to the other currently popular
Ubuntu-derived distros Zorin OS and elementary OS :-|
IMO, one of my own takes on [finally] advancing from one of these
n00B-oriented distros to something that's much less of a "forehead
install" (using Rick's term from [09]) is not only to read _good_
documentation beforehand, but to also eventually get to point of
understanding and even perhaps _using_ some of the Expert install options
that distros such as Devuan/Debian offer.
Quoting Alex Kleider <akleider at sonic.net> from [10]
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One of the main take home messages I'm getting (and I guess it shouldn't
come as a surprise) is that perhaps one might be better off without Gnome
and time would be better spent trying to develop a system without it
rather than fuss about the presence or absence of systemd.
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Also, please do consider (or re-consider) Rick M's insightful comments
from ~1.5 years ago at [11], starting from the line "About lightweight
'desktops': " :-)
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REFERENCES
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[01]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2020q1/014556.html
[02]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2018q4/013548.html
[03]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2018q4/013552.html
[04]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2018q4/013574.html
[05]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2020q1/014554.html
[06]http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/faq/kicking.html#distro
[07]https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Ubuntu
[08]https://web.archive.org/web/20080208114333/http://diveintomark.org/archives/2006/06/26/essentials-2006
[09]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2020q1/014555.html
[10]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2020q1/014565.html
[11]http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug/2018q3/013310.html
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