[sf-lug] SFLUG.COM Re: SFLUG.[...] Re: SFLUG.org

[Michael Paoli]

And ... I'm guestimating Al has snapped up SFLUG.COM.
It was still available earlier today when I'd checked.
But now it's owned:
$ whois sflug.org 2>&1 | fgrep -i whois | fgrep -i server
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
$ whois -h whois.godaddy.com sflug.org 2>&1
Domain Name: sflug.org
...
Registrar WHOIS Server: whois.godaddy.com
Registrar URL: http://www.godaddy.com
Updated Date: 2019-04-06T14:09:18Z
Creation Date: 2019-04-06T14:09:16Z
Registrar Registration Expiration Date: 2020-04-06T14:09:16Z
Registrar: GoDaddy.com, LLC
...
Registrant State/Province: California
Registrant Country: US
Registrant Email: Select Contact Domain Holder link at  
https://www.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?domain=sflug.org
Admin Email: Select Contact Domain Holder link at  
https://www.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?domain=sflug.org
Tech Email: Select Contact Domain Holder link at  
https://www.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?domain=sflug.org
Name Server: NS0.SUNNYSIDE.COM
Name Server: NS1.SUNNYSIDE.COM
Name Server: NS2.SUNNYSIDE.COM
Name Server: NS3.SUNNYSIDE.COM
DNSSEC: unsigned
...
>>> Last update of WHOIS database: 2019-04-12T03:00:00Z <<<
...
IMPORTANT: Port43 will provide the ICANN-required minimum data set per
ICANN Temporary Specification, adopted 17 May 2018.
Visit https://whois.godaddy.com to look up contact data for domains
not covered by GDPR policy.
...
$

https://www.godaddy.com/whois/results.aspx?domain=sflug.org
...
Yep:
Registrant Name: Al Whaley

> From: "Michael Paoli" <Michael.Paoli at cal.berkeley.edu>
> Subject: SFLUG.[...] Re: [sf-lug] SFLUG.org
> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 10:57:44 -0700

> So ...
> sounds like first SF-LUGer to snap up
> SFLUG.com and "We" SF-LUGers will have our 4th domain for SF[-]LUG.
>
> As for registrar, I prefer Gandi.net,
> Jim prefers (has preferred?) Joker.com - but Rick now considers
> that a non-starter, as Joker.com will not allow registrant whois
> customary details (such as email) to be made public (they give no
> opt-in option and appears they have no intention to do so).  I'm
> quite inclined to agree with Rick on that.  Rick may have
> other preferred registrar(s) (sorry, I don't remember which
> off-the-top-of-my-head - maybe he's even got a current web page on
> that).  There are many registrars, many good/excellent (I'm sure Rick,
> and possibly some others, could name a few to many or more), no shortage
> of so-so or worse registrars out there also.
>
> Also sounds like Jim is willing to reimburse direct domain costs.
> Domain acquisition (covers first year) is typically around USD
> $12.00 or so (often then + fees/taxes) to about $15.50 (+fees/taxes?).
> probably not worth sweating the modest cost differences - quality
> is more important (and cost difference probably less than your next
> venue beverage at SF[-]LUG meeting - or certainly sandwich or such).
> I'll cover cost of one domain for SF[-]LUG (already so doing -
> presently SF-LUG.org), but not >=2nd domain (but could swap out
> in future if so agreed and so arranged in future).
>
> And if some non-SF[-]LUGer beats "us" to snapping up SFLUG.com,
> well, then that opportunity is then probably gone - at least for
> some while.
>
> Person(s) might also be interested to (perhaps first?) look at
> history of SFLUG.com ... or snap up first, research later ...
> whatever.
>
>> From: jim <jim at well.com>
>> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] SFLUG.org
>> Date: Thu, 11 Apr 2019 12:52:40 -0400
>
>>
>> to my mind, the domains sflug.com and sflug.org
>> should probably be under our control as a matter
>> mainly of reducing confusion should some other
>> entity start using either of those names for
>> malicious purposes; also probably best we
>> control the names as long as we maintain good
>> will and charity with respect to SF bay area
>> linux users at large.
>>
>> as to which should be canonical, seems to me
>> a matter of valuing
>>
>> * the work that we all (all members
>> of the linuxmafia sf-lug.{com,org} mailing list
>> as well as people familiar with the name (the
>> occasional Apple and other OS users along with
>> people formerly living in the sf-bay area, and
>> certainly Michael Paoli, Rick Moen, and other
>> administrators have invested in the maintenance
>> of the name whois, linuxmafia, etc.,
>>
>> against
>>
>> * the work that must be done to make the newly
>> acquired name canonical
>>
>> in light of
>>
>> * the value of the newly acquired name over the
>> previously used canonical name.
>>
>>
>> I believe the use of hyphens has some history to
>> consider.
>>
>> I do not believe the difference of one over the
>> other is worth much as seen from 10,000 feet or
>> ten years hence.
>>
>> Maintaining control over sflug.{org,com} seems
>> worth doing.
>>
>> I am willing to chip in money to maintain the sf lug
>> group, including domain name costs and reimbursements
>> to Bobbie for her costs.
>>
>> Like the tax man, I am not supportive of paying anyone
>> for the work they do in maintaining our group.
>>
>>
>> forgive the length of this message, please.