[sf-lug] SF-LUG meeting notes for Monday 18 March 2019

[Rick Moen]

Quoting Bobbie Sellers (bliss-sf4ever at dslextreme.com):

> You don't reakkt get ut di tiy (leaving an example of my dyspraxia) I
> bet I could destroy a drive without checking my terminal typing
> closely.
> 
> You don't really get it do you,  I was there,  Jim showed up without a
> computer due to other problems.  So there was one computer being used
> to test downloaded, check-summed iso files written to Flash Drives. 
> There was no other user there to go online and check for various
> drivers, etc.

Then, there remains the other two possibilities that you are continuing
to ignore as I repeat them multiple times -- which I can only now assume
to be deliberate:

1.  Collect contemporaneous diagnostic information, and store it on a
USB flash drive.  Later when you have Internet access again, post that 
information to enable helpers to find and fix the problem -- and help
everyone learn.  Or:

2.  Collect the diagnostic infomation as above, then reboot your machine
to a different OS load where you know Internet access works.  Then post.

You keep ignoring (and talking past) those points -- yet, there they
still remain.

> When it will not boot collecting information via any tool seems a bit
> beyond me.

Do you know how to use pen and paper?  Last I heard, they don't even
require batteries.  Do you know how to take a screen's picture using a
smartphone camera?

> 120 minutes is the length of a meeting,  I would rather drag my
> problems home and try to fix them here where I have nearly 3 weeks to
> discover the cures,

I note that you apparently _didn't_ try to solve those problems, there
or elsewhere.  Just 'didn't work, didn't work', and then no more about
that except move on to next.

As I said, thing is, then nobody learns.  That's not learning Linux;
that's just tourism.


> I listen to the people who roll the distro and who get new kernels out
> that work.

Except when they say rely on lomanager?  ;->

(I'm afraid to ask what kernels 'not working' is supposed to mean,
but I suspect it doesn't mean much.)

> I am the one doing house calls.

Have fun!

> No helpers at the meeting last week

Just all over the global Internet.  But, at this point, you're back to
studiously ignoring the point.  And good luck with that.

> The matter is that while LO Manager will take care of the LibreOffice
> sometime LibreOffice will demand specific updates.  Those updates must
> be done with Synaptic(your choice would be apt I know).  But as I
> mentioned the specific LibreOffice package to access cliparts and to
> must be removed and Synaptic is how I did that.    Then if you want
> Clipart you must install the updated package which has LO as a
> dependency.

If you want help, as I said, show, don't tell.  Otherwise, all you're
doing is telling a story.

> And yet it was LO manager which told me to get a parcel of updates and
> LibreOffice manager which told me to remove the file.

Oh?  Show us.

Post the command session.

Otherwise, you're not serious about seeking assistance.  There are
things that can be done about intractible package logjams, but we
haven't gotten to that point, because you would need to start by
_showing_.


> Then come to the meeting and advise people or use the meetings to
> lecture on the matters you find important.

When I do come to meetings, I am delighted to -- as you know.

If you find it inconvenient that I'm not all the way up in San Francisco
personally, then you can come down to a CABAL meeting in Menlo Park, at
my house.  

If neither of those meets your exacting needs for in-person help, then I
guess you will need to hire a consultant, because that is exactly what
consulting is.  Be prepared to pay that consultant's hourly rate,
usually with a two-hour minimum.

> But please learn to be less lengthy in your critical remarks as
>redading and replying to them takes me a lot more  time than it takes
>your to write them.

Friend, I am not taking directions from you as to how to assist the
Linux community, something that I've put a rather considerable 
amount of effort into over a period of twenty-six years, and to which
I've devoted personal resources that include making possible this entire
mailing list.

Every word I wrote upthread was intended to try to teach points to
current and future members of the Linux community, and I happen to think
I'm pretty good at it.  Which is more than can be said for your parade
of 'didn't work'.


>     I not gracious?!

Yeah, I was talking about the recent conduct of you, the one in the
mirror.  But I wasn't offended, just amused about the sheer cheek of it.
As I continue to be.