Mailing lists using usenet newsgroup

jim jim at
Wed Jan 7 08:48:25 PST 2015

     Beautiful. Assuming at least a few of us
get off our duffs wrt MailMan backup-restore,
I'd like to participate and document the effort.
     Who's up for off-the-duff?

On 01/07/2015 08:37 AM, Rick Moen wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 6, 2015 at 5:54 PM, jim <jim at> wrote:
>> an archive for sf-lug and other lugs and such        <----
>>     strikes me as a great idea that might be quickly   <----
>>     adopted.
> No personal criticism intended in any of the following.
> I keep seeing people, at LUGs and elsewhere, attempting to do good and
> constructive things but without process thinking.  I'll define that
> term, as it's one of my own devising.  Process thinking means working
> out step by step, starting from the present situation, how to do
> something, making sure you understand the mechanism and the way things
> interact.  Non-process thinking is fixating on, and advocating and
> organising for, a desired end-objective but assuming that the steps
> required to get there will get somehow worked out.
> Process thinking gets things done, and is typified by small, pilot /
> prototype / proof-of-concept experiments that then are adapted or
> scaled up to solve some significant problem.  Non-process thinking
> most often leads to wastes of time and energy, especially where
> computer technology is concerned.  Or, at best, the people who indulge
> the habit of non-process thinking spend a lot of time talking about
> 'ideas' (vaguely imagined end-goals), but at the end of the day
> nothing worthwhile happens.
> One of the real strengths of open source software is that you can
> prototype without expending much more than just your time and effort.
> Doing so can help you spot the problematic bits and pragmatic
> concerns, as well as also spotting opportunities and advantages you
> otherwise might have missed.
> If you think something is worth doing, prototype it.  Don't just go
> around _only_ talking about how cool it might be if
> someone-nobody-in-particular were to figure out a way to do it.

More information about the sf-lug mailing list