[sf-lug] Microsoft trying to shut out dual-booting machines with UEFI...

[vincent polite]

People still Dual-Boot? Why? Using a Virtual Machine? It's less messy. Apple is 
the only with issues over it. But, then again. They keep losing their phones. It 
is now safe to say they find nifty ways to market themselves.



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From: Dan Murphy <mmdmurphy at gmail.com>
To: Brian Morris <cymraegish at gmail.com>
Cc: "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" <sf-lug at linuxmafia.com>
Sent: Sun, September 25, 2011 6:52:46 PM
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Microsoft trying to shut out dual-booting machines with 
UEFI...

Central Computer???

On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 6:33 PM, Brian Morris <cymraegish at gmail.com> wrote:
> Computer store on Howard St sells no OS boxes with a credit. Zareason pricy
>
>
>
>
> On Sunday, September 25, 2011, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>> Hi,
>> there are several vendors that sell machines without Microsoft software on
>> them, most notably, Zareason, which is right over in Berkeley.  They are a
>> family owned business who derive all (ALL!) of their income from selling
>> Linux machines.  Let's help get the word out for them!
>>
>> On Sun, Sep 25, 2011 at 2:18 PM, Alex Kleider <a_kleider at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> The question then becomes: Will there be any non sticker-ed boxes to buy?
>>
>> a_kleider at yahoo.com
>> ________________________________
>> From: Wladyslaw Zbikowski <embeddedlinuxguy at gmail.com>
>> To: Jeff Bragg <jackofnotrades at gmail.com>
>> Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
>> Sent: Thursday, September 22, 2011 10:47 PM
>> Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Microsoft trying to shut out dual-booting machines
>> with UEFI...
>>
>> My impression is that this has nothing to do with Windows 8 per se; it
>> has to do with what hardware vendors are required to do to get an
>> official "Windows 8" sticker from Microsoft. In other words, the same
>> kind of trick Microsoft pulled in the 90s when they told OEMs to
>> install (or at least pay for) Windows on every box they made, in order
>> to sell any Windows boxes:
>>
>> Microsoft has induced many OEMs to execute anticompetitive "per
>> processor" contracts for MS-DOS and Windows, even though many would
>> prefer to preserve their freedom to offer PCs with non-Microsoft
>> operating systems.
>>
>> http://www.justice.gov/atr/cases/f0000/0046.htm
>>
>> The difference here is, vendors can still sell non-Microsoft boxes;
>> they just can't put a "Windows 8" sticker on them. So just don't buy a
>> box with a "Windows 8" sticker.
>>
>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 6:01 PM, Jeff Bragg <jackofnotrades at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Good question, to which I have no good answer.  My suspicion is it will
>>> depend on the virtualization software (whether it's implementing
>>> emulation
>>> the the expected firmware).  I can't imagine it would serve MS' interests
>>> to
>>> squash virtualization of Windows as a side-effect of being spiteful to
>>> competing OSes.
>>>
>>> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 2:00 PM, David Rosenstrauch <darose at darose.net>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 09/22/2011 03:57 PM, Jeff Bragg wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Incentive for me to continue to steer clear of MS Windows entirely (or
>>>>> only
>>>>> virtualized).
>>>>
>>>> Which actually brings up another point:  wouldn't this change make it
>>>> impossible (or very difficult) to run Windows 8 as a VM?
>>>>
>>>> DR
>>>>
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>> ______________________
>>
>> --
>> Christian Einfeldt,
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