[sf-lug] Other locations

Blake Haggerty Blake.Haggerty at Sapphire.com
Wed Sep 3 10:22:35 PDT 2008

Well, I figured I'll throw in my 2 cents, Although I am not able to regularly attend meetings a move from Java Cat to St. Anthonys would pretty much make irregular attendance; non attendance. My general opinion is that St. Anthonys is not in the greatest neighborhood (arguably the worst neighborhood in the city). I walk almost everywhere I go and I don't feel completely comfortable walking around parts of the tenderloin at night. 


As for other suggestions; I would love a place that serves beer :) I would be much more inclined to attend on a regular basis knowing I could enjoy a beer or two during our meetings... 


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-----Original Message-----
From:jim jim at well.com 
To: "Jason Turner" ;
Cc: "sf-lug at linuxmafia.com" ;
Sent: Sep 3, 2008 10:01:51 AM
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] Other locations

that's more like a nickle, but nice. 

my idea for a third timeslot for asheesh's 
talk is that a different location seems to 
be an important consideration for his talk. 
if we go to a different location at a regular 
time, it's possible someone will show up at 
javacat and be disappointed. 
given that this is a lab/tutorial event, 
it seems excusable. it has the benefit that 
we are scouting out alternative places to 
javacat. if we find one that works, we can 
change the meeting arrangements to use that 
place for one of our two monthly meetings. 
the grind is reasonably close to haight 
street and castro-divisadero and fillmore 
street buses, though not very close to BART. 
it's open and roomy, food isn't too bad as 
i recall. closes at 8 PM weekdays. 

your caution regarding keymasters is 
good. one of our prospective locations is 
saint anthony's, which christian is looking 
into. seems important that if we choose 
that location for anything we have access, 
including coming a bit early (for setup) 
and staying a bit late (for tear-down but 
also for extra talking). 
saint anthony's bears a bit more 
discussion: there's a community there that 
might benefit from the attentions of people 
such as us: linux and open source software, 
training, support. aside from finding a 
good place for asheesh's training or an 
alternative place to javacat, there's the 
idea of somehow involving those of us who 
want to be involved in helping out that 
community. might dovetail with the KIPP 
school effort in some way, too. 

well, see your nickle and raise you. 

On Wed, 2008-09-03 at 01:44 -0700, Jason Turner wrote: 
> I'll certainly sign up for Asheesh's deb tutorial. Adding a third 
> meeting time to SF-LUG's monthly calendar? Er, ok. For me, that seems 
> a bit excessive -- especially under the current "free form" structure 
> of the gatherings and their average attendance. If one were to be 
> designated a lab/tutorial/installfest & troubleshoot time, that'd be a 
> little more compelling. 
> You asked for $.02 worth right? 
> In terms of locations -- well, I don't know any of the places named thus 
> far particularly well. I appreciate and agree with the MUNI 
> constraint. Just for fun, I'll add two more cafes to the list: 
> Kaleo, in the Inner Sunset. Pretty limited hours a couple blocks from a 
> web of MUNI stops. 
> http://www.yelp.com/biz/kaleo-cafe-san-francisco#hrid:epJIZQRaDNuCiTMYjrQiVA/query:cafe 
> The Grind, in the Lower Haight. 
> http://www.yelp.com/biz/the-grind-cafe-san-francisco#hrid:MWumRa-_lwmZGAPg4Ct37A/query:cafe%20wireless 
> Though unspecified as a constraint, my preference would be spaces open 
> to the public that do not require special/additional coordination(with a 
> keymaster). Unless of course, the group did decide to specify this new 
> time as being much more structured -- something it seemed the folks at 
> SFSU(for example) required in order to make their facilities(which are 
> more conducive to presentations) available. 
> No vote on potential new timing. Though I'm aware that weekday evenings 
> pretty much rule out the above Kaleo suggestion. 
> -- 
> jt 
> jim wrote: 
> > the hard constraint of sunday noonish 
> > or monday early evening seems unnecessary: 
> > if we pick a different day and time, we 
> > won't have to worry that someone would 
> > show up at javacat while we're elsewhere. 
> > i like the idea of a third time and 
> > different location. can we try various 
> > third times and different locations until 
> > we discover what works best? 
> > 
> > your #1 is not as close to Muni as #2 
> > and about the same distance from BART as 
> > #3, seems to me. parking is often easy 
> > for #1, which matters to me (and some 
> > others, i think). it seems noisy and has 
> > a similar table setup as javacat. 
> > never been to #2 or #3. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 2008-09-01 at 16:44 -0700, Asheesh Laroia wrote: 
> > 
> >> What would people think of us looking at other locations? 
> >> 
> >> I've been looking on Yelp, and the constraints as I see are as follows: 
> >> 
> >> * Hard constraint: Open during SF-LUG meetings on Mondays and Sundays 
> >> (This is harder than you might think.) 
> >> * Has free wifi. 
> >> * Would be able to seat a bunch of people. 
> >> 
> >> Soft constraint: 
> >> * Should be close to public transit 
> >> * Has better food and better seating than the Javacat. 
> >> * Can retain SF-LUG's "neighborhood" feel as compared to BALUG's grittier 
> >> downtown feel (I'm joking! (oar am I? (or am I?))) 
> >> 
> >> In some ways, I"d prefer to keep it close to SF-LUG's current location, 
> >> but in some ways that location is pretty inconvenient for me and a few 
> >> other people. We can maybe do a poll later to consider that question. 
> >> Until then, I make three suggestions for discussion's sake: 
> >> 
> >> 1. Brain Wash (SOMA) 
> >> * Location: 7th St & Folsom St, near Civic Center MUNI + BART 
> >> * Some of us went there recently. 
> >> * http://www.yelp.com/biz/brainwash-cafe-and-laundromat-san-francisco 
> >> 
> >> 2. H Cafe (Castro) 
> >> * Location: 17th St & Sanchez St (near Castro MUNI) 
> >> * http://hcafesf.com/community.html has nice-looking pictures 
> >> 
> >> 3. Cafe La Taza (Mission) 
> >> * Location: Mission St between 20th & 21st, close (ish?) to 24th St BART 
> >> * Delicious food 
> >> * http://www.yelp.com/biz/cafe-la-taza-san-francisco-2 
> >> 
> >> I didn't look at places in very many neighborhoods due to my BART/MUNI 
> >> obsession. There are many, many places that don't meet the first hard 
> >> constraint. 
> >> 
> >> Of these, I prefer #1's transit accessibility. I never actually sat down 
> >> there, though. What do others think? 
> >> 
> >> -- Asheesh. 
> >> 
> >> 
> > 
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