[sf-lug] Consistency

Paul Ward dssstrkl at gmail.com
Wed Jul 30 16:55:02 PDT 2008

On Jul 30, 2008, at 4:16 PM, Rick Moen wrote:

> Quoting Paul Ward (dssstrkl at gmail.com):
>>> Actually, I think that's quite obviously false -- your "unity" is my
>>> my "dumb inflexibility solely to cater to people unwilling to learn
>>> anything new" -- but good luck with that.  (I remember the sheer
>>> irritation value of dealing with visiting Apple "Human Interface
>>> Guidelines" inspectors, when I worked at a cross-platform  
>>> development
>>> house, back in the day.
>> And that's why Linux isn't a mainstream OS.
> And with that remark, you ignore the point yet again

OK, my fault for not breaking your paragraphs more ruthlessly. I was  
referring to your first statement, specifically the "n00bs r dum" tone  
of it and ignoring the rest.

> -- and I'm not even
> counting the fact that Linux did not even _exist_ at that time:   
> Apple's
> HIG inspectors had insisted, among other things, that $FIRM could  
> not ship
> cross-platform screen fonts with the MacOS version of our database
> product, fonts that had the same metrics did as their counterpart  
> fonts
> that we shipped with our MS-Windows, MacOS, HP-UX, and Solaris-based
> kits, because that would technically violate various thumbsucking tiny
> details of the Apple HIG spec of that day.
> The one overwhelmingly important fact in that situation, that the  
> primary
> attraction of our entire product to the marketplace was to have 100%
> identical operations anywhere using a multiplatform runtime, and that
> they could not expect to drag three other major operating systems into
> lockstep compliance with theirs, was completely lost on them.

Sorry, but an anecdote about Apple's HIG people acting like douchebags  
20 years ago doesn't really have any bearing on why it would be a good  
idea to foster greater UI and experience consistency TODAY. Clearly  
some things have changed in the last 20 years and Apple is not as  
concerned with the HIG, since they let this on the iphone app store: http://www.stevenscreek.com/iPhone/triplog.htm

>> A PC is a communications tool, adding machine and entertainment toy.
> Aha:  Doesn't comprehend the phrase "general-purpose device" -- check.

Right back at you: a motor vehicle *can't* be used for one or more  
basic purposes?

>> And your ass-tastic response [yada yada...]
> OK, we're done.  You'll need to talk to procmail, going forward.

You started being rude first, bro.

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Paul Ward
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