[sf-lug] New to this list; Gmane.org, anyone?

Daniel Gimpelevich daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us
Sat Dec 29 16:56:14 PST 2007

On Dec 29, 2007, at 3:23 PM, Rick Moen wrote:

> Quoting Daniel Gimpelevich (daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us):
>> 'lo. I just finally subscribed to this list, albeit with the "nomail"
>> option.
> Cc'ing you with a direct copy of this reply.
>  I'm hoping to get the list archive mirrored on gmane.org, with
>> the added benefits that brings, including a web form for posting to 
>> the
>> list, an NNTP gateway for participating in it, and four different RSS
>> feeds of the list. Currently, replying to old messages not in one's
>> inbox requires manually setting the In-Reply-To headers. Note that the
>> current system hosting the list, linuxmafia.com, is capable of
>> providing the NNTP gateway itself, but in a slightly more limited 
>> role.
> Quite.  Just as CABAL's mailing list "conspire" is served up for NNTP
> access as newsgroup cabal.conspire, this mailing list could be offered
> as newsgroup sf-lug.general or something like that.  The "limited role"
> probably refers to my need to enable access by individual request to
> users' static IP addresses only.  This limitation is because of the
> leafnode NNTP daemon's lack of any means of blocking spam other than
> limiting access by IP address in /etc/hosts.allow.

I was referring to the lack of a mechanism to maintain threading of the 
archive, but the above is also a limitation. It would be nice  if 
hosts.allow could do DNS resolution, so that users of DDNS could be 
added, too.

>> The past two years of the list are trivial to copy over into the
>> mirror because the mbox file is easily web-accessible. However, I
>> really hope the first year and a half of archives can join them there.
>> I understand that the machine that hosted those died, but I don't know
>> to what degree the old Mailman mbox file is irretrievable from it, nor
>> whether any backups of it existed. Alas, the mbox format file really
>> is the only way that part of the list's history can rejoin it in this
>> medium, and Jim's meticulous retention of each message individually is
>> insufficient.
> If Jim can provide me with that set of files, I can probably construct
> a corresponding mbox programmatically.  Furthermore, I could then
> prepend that mbox to Mailman's records here and regenerate the
> back-postings archive, so that the list's history is complete again.

What he has are the copies of the messages in his inbox (or whatever 
box he put them in). If you can insert those into sf-lug.mbox, great!

> Anyway, Daniel, you are of course welcome to get the raw mbox
> that's been accumulated on this site:
> http://linuxmafia.com/pipermail/sf-lug.mbox/sf-lug.mbox , or local file
> /var/lib/mailman/archives/public/sf-lug.mbox/sf-lug.mbox .

I know, and I pointed this out to Jim, too.

>> I probably won't reply back to this thread unless everybody comes to
>> an agreement, but I'll be checking for replies nonetheless.
> I hope you won't delay indefinitely for lack of a sufficient number of
> responses.  I don't think you'll be getting many, but only because most
> subscribers aren't really sure they have the basis for an opinion.

Frankly, I wasn't expecting nearly this much silence on the matter, and 
I hesitated to assume that the silence is a go-ahead. So, speak now, or 
forever hold your peace...
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