[sf-lug] FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com
Tomer
tomer at pacbell.net
Wed Oct 24 20:19:40 PDT 2007
Ok now Im interested in seeing what :r actually does. Havent used it
recently. I love vim by the way. I just hate how in ubunutu even though I go
mv /usr/bin/vi /usr/bin/viNOUSE
ln /usr/bin/vim /usr/bin/vi
And then go
vi <something>
I still get the old vi behaviour, instead of vim .. I must be missing
something
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1. Re: FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com (Christian Einfeldt)
2. Re: FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com (Asheesh Laroia)
3. Re: FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com (Rick Moen)
4. Re: FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com (Christian Einfeldt)
5. Re: FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com (Christian Einfeldt)
6. Re: FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com (Rick Moen)
7. Re: FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com (Christian Einfeldt)
8. Re: FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com (Christian Einfeldt)
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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:26:09 -0700
From: "Christian Einfeldt" <einfeldt at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com
To: "Rick Moen" <rick at linuxmafia.com>
Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com, Daniel Gimpelevich
<daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>, Alex Kleider
<a_kleider at yahoo.com>
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On 10/24/07, Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Alex,
>
> On 10/24/07, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > > and
> > > what is ment by
> > > :r!
> > > ????
> >
> > Meaningful to anyone who knows the "vi" editor. ;->
> >
>
>
Alex, the other thing that was funny about Rick's reference is that he was
making a reference to a text editor that he was using, which is often times
a point of contention, because everyone has their favorite text editors.
And so if you make a vi joke, you are sort of tweaking the noses of people
who don't use vi. So it was also sort of a follow-up joke, in a way, to
Rick's recent joke about bashing text editors as a way of achieving a
"trifecta", meaning poking fun at each other's operating systems and desktop
environments and text editors. As you get to know people in the Linux world
more, you will have more fun with the jokes, because they are actually
funny, in part, because they are so arcane. I mean, how funny is it that
people bash each others' text editors!! It's a joke on a joke. It's funny
for its own reasons, but it is also funny because here are these code
wizards poking fun at each other for things that, for most people, don't
even hit their radar screens.
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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:26:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: Asheesh Laroia <asheesh at asheesh.org>
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com
To: Christian Einfeldt <einfeldt at gmail.com>
Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com, Alex Kleider <a_kleider at yahoo.com>, Daniel
Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
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On Wed, 24 Oct 2007, Christian Einfeldt wrote:
> In other words, the power of vi is that it lets you solve really deep
> problems when all of the GNOME programs are just too locked up to
> solve the problems. The other thing that is powerful about vi is that
> it is useful with all or nearly all Linux programs. Once you learn
> it, you don't have to worry about what you are going to do if your X quits
or locks.
>
> Learning vi is really hard, though. I tried a little bit, and it
> really kicked my ass. heh.
The first time I ran vi, I couldn't figure out how to quit. So I rebooted.
(I'm not joking.)
I recommend nano for general text editing - it has syntax highlighting and
search and replace (with regular expressions, if you're into those) - but it
also always gives you context-sensitive help at the bottom of the screen so
that you know what you can do. That way, you can never forget how to use it
- you just end up using it slower while you look through the options.
Just be *sure* to disable word-wrap mode when you run it if editing config
files. That's "nano -w".
vi does have a geek machoness associated with it, but I get enough geek
machoness from other parts of my life. (-;
-- Asheesh.
--
character density, n.:
The number of very weird people in the office.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:29:59 -0700
From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com
To: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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Quoting Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt at gmail.com):
> Learning vi is really hard, though.
"vimtutor" is your friend.
Until then, think of it as "vi vi vi, the editor of the Beast."
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:38:35 -0700
From: "Christian Einfeldt" <einfeldt at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com
To: "Asheesh Laroia" <asheesh at asheesh.org>
Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com, Alex Kleider <a_kleider at yahoo.com>, Daniel
Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
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>
> vi does have a geek machoness associated with it, but I get enough
> geek machoness from other parts of my life. (-;
>
At the most recent sv-lug installfest at Google, Bruce Costen joked that you
are not a real man until you write in binary. I wouldn't know, still being
a grasshopper, myself. But Bruce does have at least 16 OSes installed on
each of his boxes at any one time, so who am I to disagree with such a
man! ;-)
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:34:19 -0700
From: "Christian Einfeldt" <einfeldt at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com
To: "Rick Moen" <rick at linuxmafia.com>
Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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On 10/24/07, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
>
> Quoting Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt at gmail.com):
>
> > Learning vi is really hard, though.
>
> "vimtutor" is your friend.
>
> Until then, think of it as "vi vi vi, the editor of the Beast."
>
snicker
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:41:33 -0700
From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com
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Quoting Christian Einfeldt (einfeldt at gmail.com):
> Alex, the other thing that was funny about Rick's reference is that he
> was making a reference to a text editor that he was using, which is
> often times a point of contention, because everyone has their favorite
text editors.
> And so if you make a vi joke, you are sort of tweaking the noses of
> people who don't use vi.
Thing is, everyone on *ix traditionally encounters vi.
They may hate it, and quickly run screaming to pico^Wnano^Wnedit^Wkate, but,
before they do, they inevitably see enough of it to figure out from context
that ":" enters a command mode. (If that's untrue of some people here, then
I guess they're likely to miss some jokes. Oh well.
Sic Transit Gloria Jargon File.)
Just as it shouldn't be _that_ difficult to figure out what
"victim^Wcustomer" means without someone requiring someone to diagram the
joke for you.
And mentioning an editor command that can be fairly easily figured out from
context is nothing at all like indulging in dumbass flamewars about other
people's text editors.
> I mean, how funny is it that people bash each others' text editors!
If done other than with extremely ironic intent, I'd call that more than a
bit sad.
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:36:07 -0700
From: "Christian Einfeldt" <einfeldt at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com
To: "Asheesh Laroia" <asheesh at asheesh.org>
Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com, Alex Kleider <a_kleider at yahoo.com>, Daniel
Gimpelevich <daniel at gimpelevich.san-francisco.ca.us>
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hi
On 10/24/07, Asheesh Laroia <asheesh at asheesh.org> wrote:
>
>
> The first time I ran vi, I couldn't figure out how to quit. So I
> rebooted. (I'm not joking.)
LOL !
I recommend nano for general text editing -
See, Alex, here we go!!! LOL ! These sys admins have their own text editor
stories to tell!! LOL ! You gotta appreciate the humor in the fact that
people have really well-defined opinions about something which, to the
outside world, looks rather bland and arcane (text editors). But I can
totally see this thread going on for another 10 posts, at least! So now,
here comes Rick Moen and compares vi to a magic sword. Ya gotta love this
stuff. Worth price of admission alone. ;-)
>
> vi does have a geek machoness associated with it, but I get enough
> geek machoness from other parts of my life. (-;
And so it goes. heh
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Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 19:55:48 -0700
From: "Christian Einfeldt" <einfeldt at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [sf-lug] FWIW and :r! dig -t ns sf-lug.com
To: "Rick Moen" <rick at linuxmafia.com>
Cc: sf-lug at linuxmafia.com
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hi
On 10/24/07, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
>
> (If that's untrue of some
> people here, then I guess they're likely to miss some jokes.
>
No, that is the benefit of being on a list like this. You learn from
osmosis.
And mentioning an editor command that can be fairly easily figured out
> from context is nothing at all like indulging in dumbass flamewars
> about other people's text editors.
Well, except that I find that it is a entertaining. I get great tech
support from the people on the list, but at the same time, I am also
entertained at how incredibly arcane the jokes are.
> I mean, how funny is it that people bash each others' text editors!
>
> If done other than with extremely ironic intent, I'd call that more
> than a bit sad.
This was not intended as a dig, but as a compliment. What I meant was that
it is funny that people are having disagreements about arcane topics. For
me, as a newbie, it is sometimes a bit like watching elephants wrestle: it's
a huge spectacle, and best observed from the sidelines. No offense
intended. My apologies if you were offended, because it was actually
intended as a compliment and a nod to your accomplishment with vi, because I
know how hard it is to use vi.
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