[sf-lug] Possibly interesting data point on jobs postings

jim stockford jim at well.com
Tue May 16 19:08:25 PDT 2006

    I make an effort to respond to all mailman notices when
I see them, I'm sure a few have fallen through the cracks,
but I try.
    I'm gonna reread Rick's email to try to learn more.
    I set a special password up for the sf-lug administrator
in case any of you wants to help out. The issue is
coordinating with each other. Anybody interested in
sharing the responsibility, welcome.

On May 16, 2006, at 9:11 AM, Rick Moen wrote:

> Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com):
>> it is not my list, it's our list. i'm not the leader.
>> when i get email addressed to the leader, i
>> dutifully forward it to you guys.
> The attitude counts for a lot.  It's worth noting, though, that to my
> knowledge you're the only person wielding this list's Mailman
> administrative access.  I sometimes use my site-wide Mailman admin
> access to look in on it, and make sure everything's OK.
> Also, to clarify, either (a) I manually set "nomail" on those four
> subscribed addresses. a while ago, or (b) Mailman did so automatically.
> (a) One of the ongoing problems of mailing lists is that people 
> subscribe
> from addresses that that then, for a huge variety of reasons, become
> non-deliverable.  You as the recipient of the
> sf-lug-owner at linuxmafia.com administrative mail would get notices
> (DSNs = "delivery status notification" SMTP diagnostics)  wrapped 
> inside
> "bounce message" mails, in which sundry remote SMTP servers explain
> cryptically or less so why a subscriber's list mail could not be
> delivered.  I get a copy of each delivery failure notice as the
> recipient of the root user's mail (I think).  When I observe failures 
> on
> local mailing list subscriptions that seem (by their indicated nature)
> likely to be long-term, after a while I tend to manually set that
> subscription to "nomail", mostly so I'm not buried in bounces every 
> time
> someone addresses the mailing list.  If further testing, some months
> later, proves that such addresses are still undeliverable, I remove 
> them.
> (b) Separately, Mailman itself keeps a count of subscribers' "bounce 
> count":
> If it's too high within a given period, it _automatically_ sets the
> member to "nomail".  If bounces persist (of Mailman probe messages,
> or something?), it automatically unsubscribes the user.  I'm a little
> vague on the full details of this, but you can review it in the mailing
> list setup.
> For the record, Jim has this mailing list set up as with no control
> over who subscribes, publicly archived, and unmoderated (what is often,
> somewhat vaguely, dubbed an "open list").  Automatic monthly password
> reminders are disabled.  The roster is available to all list members,
> but not otherwise to the wider public.  Posts from non-subscribed
> addresses are held for listadmin approval.
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