[dvlug] dvlug list

[Grant Bowman]

Hello Michael,

I hope you are doing well.

Please do not copy dvlug at linuxmafia.com about anything dvlug related.

Please respect DVLUG Walnut Creek attendees. Archives are not
required, just subscribers. There has been activity. People can
unsubscribe with a click.

I am sorry for the trouble with the broken web form. Thank you for
letting me know. I removed the broken form and put in a work around. I
manually subscribed you. michael.paoli at berkeley.edu

I misspoke and I apologize, you were not subscribed but your messages
copied to list at dvlug.org do go through. I do not think cross-posting
is required or desired.

Our scheduled monthly meetings are still on the second and fourth
Fridays at 7PM. We meet regardless of reminder emails. Details with
map links are at www.dvlug.org by clicking Meetings on the top right.
Apparently kind spirited suggestions are welcome.

Regards,
Grant


On Sat, Jun 29, 2024 at 1:53 PM Michael Paoli
<michael.paoli at berkeley.edu> wrote:
>
> Grant,
>
> Long time no hear!  Hope you're doing well.
>
> Not sure if you caught it, but not too long ago a couple folk were
> trying to find out
> if DVLUG is still meeting, how to contact, one of 'em was also interested in
> possible different meeting schedule (due to schedule conflict(s)).
> Seems folks were having challenges finding current active responsive
> contact(s) for the group and/or information about recent (if any)
> activity with DVLUG ... but I digress (see also
> dvlug at linuxmafia.com
> list and semi-recent archives thereof).
>
> Uhm, DVLUG list(s).
>
> I've yet to see evidence that list at dvlug.org is (at least
> persistently) functional.
> Is it operating again?  Are the archives available?
> Is that list membership and the archives being backed up?
> Do the archives have all the history of that list (or even most of it)?
> If that "newer" list is to replace the older, will the newer import all the
> older archives?
>
> I see nothing on
> https://www.dvlug.org/email/
> about how to access the archives ... don't even see a claim that they exist
> (thought I saw that earlier somewhere, but not spotting it at present).
> Matter of fact, checking through my emails over last several years, I
> don't see anything
> from any @dvlug.org email addresses at all, except from you <grant at dvlug.org>
> and I see exactly zero emails at all from anything on that purported
> list at dvlug.org
> list.  I've used the web subscribe thingy many times -
> never see anything back from it - no errors, no emails, just nothing.
> Meantime dvlug at linuxmafia.com list and archives generally quite
> consistently work.
> Even years back, when stuff about the "new" list went up on DVLUG's
> web site, I'm pretty sure there was never any posting to the "old" list saying
> that everything was moving to the new list ... or even that just all the
> newer traffic and archives were going to the new list and such.
> Anyway, I think probably many are looking to see at least reasonably
> consistent functionality over a reasonable period of time on the "new"
> before jumping ship.  Maybe other folks are having different results,
> but as for the "new", I've generally seen (next to?) nothing in working
> or reasonably persistent functionality there.  Sorry.
> So, I've often/typically been sending to both - or at least the "old",
> at least until I see the "new" working and quite consistently so ...
> and I've yet to see that.  Maybe it works wonders if one has an
> email that ends in @dvlug.org as you do.  ;-)
>
> Oh, ... I'll also hang it out there for your consideration, if you may be
> interested ... if you may possibly want to have subdomain with
> DVLUG list(s) on <whatever>@lists.dvlug.org., I could potentially
> host that if you so wanted that ... but maybe ask me again in a
> couple weeks or so ... I'm still doing migration off of mailman version 2
> (could do mailman 2 in the meantime if you really wanted that),
> so still have more testing, etc. to do, and want to wait a bit 'till that's all
> done and the dust well settled before I consider that migration to be a
> full success (in case I find any latent issues that may not be immediately
> apparent).  I'd also think Rick might even be willing to do same (notably
> subdomain part for list) on the existing linuxmafia.com host.  In any case,
> food for thought.  Could also potentially migrate so all the old (most notably
> archives) would still also be present under lists.dvlug.org (similar to how
> things are for BALUG under lists.balug.org).  Anyway, just a thought,
> and thought I'd hang the offer out there if you may be interested (and
> would also have the capability to access and back up full archives,
> also member subscription list).  And, yeah just to think about it
> more generally, if you use a subdomain (e.g. lists.dvlug.org)
> for list(s), rather than the main domain (dvlug.org), that does leave
> things much more flexible for how one may want to handle list(s),
> most notably it can be hosted or the like, exceedingly independent
> of whatever else may be going on for hosting or whatever on
> [www.]dvlug.org (e.g. web site, etc.).
>
> Well, keep us posted.  But would be good to see that "new" list
> actually working, and having functional findable searchable (e.g.
> via Google or other search engines) archives too.  Meantime,
> I think many may continue to (at least also) use the "old" list,
> because ... well, it does actually work.
>
> Oh, and when I started typing up this email, also used the web form
> thingy to subscribe another email address I have access to, to that "new"
> list ... I still see absolutely no email from the list - no
> confirmation, no errors,
> absolutely nothing.
>
> Anyway, interesting you say I'm subscribed and my postings make it through,
> because I don't receive any of the postings, see no archives of the postings ...
> in fact I don't think I've ever seen any of the archives for the "new" list.
> So ... maybe some troubleshooting is in order?  How are you finding it from
> other email domains?  And is there a test list that's otherwise similar in
> infrastructure and configuration?  Should generally have a separate
> test list, so as to not annoy folks on "main" list with test posts, but
> I've not seen any information about a test list.  Anyway, good to
> hear that at least you see stuff on the new list ... but if I and/or
> most others can't ... yeah, that'd be an issue.
>
> On Fri, Jun 28, 2024 at 9:26 PM Grant Bowman <grantbow at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Michael,
> >
> > I see you are still emailing dvlug at linuxmafia.com regarding balug in
> > June. dvlug at linuxmafia.com is no longer in use and has not been in a
> > long while.
> >
> > Please send all dvlug traffic to list at dvlug.org as clearly described
> > https://www.dvlug.org/email/ and described more than once. You are
> > subscribed and your balug messages go through just fine.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Grant