[conspire] OT (geopolitics) So much winning

Rev Anon Rev_Anon at Atheist.com
Thu Feb 20 09:08:12 PST 2025


We were warned for years.  Back when the voting rights bill got zeroed
by an ass senator from WV, we knew this was coming.  Greg Palast
documented the millions who got their ballots purged putting Republicans
in charge.  (there's a little known government agency that counts such
things as purged ballots)  C'est la vie. Democracy is over get used to
it.  Perhaps the view looks dark but we can hope the west coast will
unite and secede from the fascist new fed?  West coast exit!  Get your
pitch-forks ready!

On 2/19/25 21:35, Rick Moen wrote:
> ----- Forwarded message from Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> -----
>
> Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2025 21:35:06 -0800
> From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com>
> To: Ruben Safir <mrbrklyn at panix.com>
> Subject: So much winning
>
> So, Trump had a love-fest phone call to his buddy Vlad, and the next
> things that happened were:
>
>
> 1.  Trump said he'd be settling the Ukraine War personally, by talking
> to his buddy Vlad.  The Ukrainians and the Europeans are pointedly to
> be totally excluded from this discussion.  (His campaign boast that he'd
> have the war ended within 24 hrs. by the middle of Jan. 21 had been
> dropped.)
>
> The last time Trump had a private talk with his buddy Vlad in Helsinki,
> he ordered his security team and his translation team, and his national
> intelligence team out of the room, while Vlad kept his, and basically
> Russian intelligence got to pump Trump for three hours, getting
> priceless inside information they then used to plan their strategy for
> the next several years, including the Ukraine War.
>
>
> 2.  Alleged Defense Secretary Pete Hegseth blurted out, when he was in
> Munich for the Munich Security Conference, that NATO will never admit
> Ukraine as a member, that US forces would never be committed to defend
> Ukraine, that the whole problem was none of the United States's
> business, and that Ukraine is not a NATO responsibility at all, and that
> any help from the Europeans would need to occur outside of NATO.
>
> He also volunteered that, if European forces did defend Ukraine, that
> the United States would not get involved in any way to defend the
> Europeans against Russia, either.  He basically said that the United
> States, which created NATO to defend Europe against Russia under Article
> 5, would be henceforth breaking its commitment to Article 5 completely.
>
> This, of course, was handing to Russia on a platter _all_ of the points
> that it's wanted since the beginning of the war, in exchange for
> nothing, _before_ negotiations start.  This is the worst negotiation
> anyone has ever seen.
>
>
> 3. Trump was asked about Ukrainian objections to being shut out of the
> initial talks to end the war. Trump responded by falsely blaming Ukraine
> for starting the war with Russia. Trump said, quote, "you should have
> never started it.  You could have made a deal."
>
> This is, of course, straight-up repeating of Russian propaganda, casting
> the victim as the attacker.
>
>
> All of the above is a dramatic and treacherous sell-out by any measure.
> Treasonous, basically.  We basically said that Russian troops could
> go straight across the plains of Europe, invading our allies, backed up
> by North Koreans, no less, and we'd just say "Meh."
>
>
> And the appearances of Hegseth and Vance in Munich is exactly where
> Neville Chamberlain sold out everyone in 1939 ("Peace in our time" with
> Hitler).  Seriously.  We.  Did.  A.  Munich.  Betrayal.  In.  Munich.
>
> Oh, Vance?  He stood there and told our allies, parliamentary
> democracies, that they aren't democratic -- and then he went to give a
> speech to AfD, Germany's neo-Nazi party.
>
>
> What are the Europeans going to do?  The first and obvious thing will
> be to go nuclear, exactly what we've spent 80 years trying to prevent:
> Sweden, Finland, Poland, and Romania have the ability to make nuclear
> bombs over a long weekend, and we just gave them a reason.  And also
> Ukraine, by the way, which was a nuclear power before but gave up all
> its nukes in exchange for Western security guarantees.  And then, get
> this:  The Germans, too.
>
> Swift move, Toddler-in-Chief, you corrupt, thieving, traitorous, criminal
> moron.
>
>
>
> 4.  Trump sent co-President Musk's henchmen to fire pretty much all of
> the CIA's senior staff, the people whose primary job is to keep us
> informed about what our main antagonists including Iran, China, and
> Russia are up to.  The threat-detection, briefing, and
> contingency-planning staff, the most important for that purpose, were
> particularly targeted.  Basically the Toddler-in-Chief wants to make
> sure, at the CIA as elsewhere, that nobody competent remains who's
> willing and able to say to him anything he doesn't want to hear.
>
>
> 5.  Trump put Tulsi Gabbard as Director of National Intelligence.  The
> problem with her is only partly that she has zero management experience
> and zero intelligence experience.  The bigger problem is that she's for
> the whole last decade been a Kremlin symp.  The DNI's job is to
> synthesize all relevant information from all US intelligence agencies
> and coherently brief the President.  The president basically sees what
> the DNI presents.  Now, that person is Vlad's tool.
>
>
>
> Oh, remember how Trump was going to deal harshly with China?  Notice
> that hasn't happened beyond the 10% tariff he basically threatens in
> all directions?  He went instead and threatened a 25% tariff against
> our largest and most vital trade partners, Canada and Mexico.
>
> Now, ask yourself what that's done, what the immediate effect is.
> Prior to Trump getting in, capital had been in rapid retreat from China
> and vitally important re-industrialization had been going on, mostly in
> the American Midwest and South, which was really timely and important
> because China's economy is failing and won't be around much longer.
>
> But Trump turning around and punishing our allies rather than our
> adversaries has now _halted_ that trend.  Capital has stopped moving out
> of China, and no longer feeding re-industrialization of America.
>
> Now, why would Trump have done that, so outrageously violating his
> campaign promises?  Simple:  It's because co-President Musk has huge
> investments in China and distorted the Toddler-in-Chief's moves to
> protect them.
>
>
> Are you tired of winning, yet?
>
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