[conspire] (forw) Re: [kwlug-disc] have I ever told you guys that Facebook is evil?

[Don Marti]

On 6/16/22 13:07, Ivan Sergio Borgonovo wrote:
> May I add just as a starting point:
> 
> https://brave.com/web-standards-at-brave/6-privacy-sandbox-concerns/

Yes, "Privacy Sandbox" is not really a good name for it, should be 
something like "Market Design Sandbox"

https://www.adweek.com/programmatic/problems-persist-with-googles-privacy-sandbox-proposals-as-trials-open/

(The only actual privacy project in there is "Privacy Budget" and that's 
the one that's least far along.)

> On 6/16/22 20:30, Don Marti wrote:
>> I posted this list of third-party trackers back in 2018....
>>
>>    https://blog.zgp.org/quick-question-on-tracking-protection/
>>
>> and just checked back with that page.  Now they have a TikTok tracking 
>> script, too.
>>
>> This is not just a privacy issue or health care discrimination issue 
>> -- probably a national security issue, too.
>>
>> https://cyberdefensereview.army.mil/CDR-Content/Articles/Article-View/Article/2537110/microtargeting-as-information-warfare/ 
>>
>>
>> (There are a couple of interesting W3C community groups that cover 
>> this stuff -- free to join --  but the people who show up are mostly 
>> from surveillance marketing companies.  Would be good to have more 
>> points of view represented.
>> https://www.adexchanger.com/ad-exchange-news/web-standards-orgs-call-out-for-help-as-they-and-online-ad-revenue-are-swamped-by-change/ 
>> )
>>
>> There is no full self-protection from Facebook tracking, because 
>> companies dump your info to them out of band -- but in California, 
>> anyway, you can make them delete it if you're willing to put in the 
>> time. (It can take a while... https://blog.zgp.org/rtk-workflow/ )
>>
>> On 6/16/22 10:46, Rick Moen wrote:
>>> Making the point, yet again, that all of you people who just don't worry
>>> about privacy on the Web are idiots.  Facebook _really is_ the most nosy
>>> corporation on the planet, and, yes, you do need the privacy that you
>>> never get with just off-the-shelf Web browsing.  Time to wake up.
>>>
>>> Not-a-relative Doug Moen is also correct that the hospitals that
>>> blithely run Meta Pixel Javascript snippets on hospital Web site pages
>>> serving up HIPPA-covered, logged-in patient information are at least as
>>> evil as Facebook is, in this case.  The problem of tracking spyware is
>>> widespread.
>>>
>>> There ought to be major criminal prosecution, but almost certainly
>>> won't.  Meantime, self-protect accordingly.
>>>
>>>
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>>> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 08:52:12 -0400
>>> From: CrankyOldBugger <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com>
>>> To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
>>> Subject: [kwlug-disc] have I ever told you guys that Facebook is evil?
>>>
>>> Now they're collecting personal data from hospital Web sites:
>>>
>>> https://themarkup.org/pixel-hunt/2022/06/16/facebook-is-receiving-sensitive-medical-information-from-hospital-websites 
>>>
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>>> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 12:08:47 -0400
>>> From: CrankyOldBugger <crankyoldbugger at gmail.com>
>>> To: KWLUG discussion <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] have I ever told you guys that Facebook is 
>>> evil?
>>>
>>> Looks Ars Technica has picked up on this as well:
>>>
>>> https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/06/facebook-is-receiving-sensitive-medical-information-from-hospital-websites/ 
>>>
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>>> Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2022 10:23:38 -0400
>>> From: Doug Moen <doug at moens.org>
>>> To: KWLUG Discuss <kwlug-disc at kwlug.org>
>>> Subject: Re: [kwlug-disc] have I ever told you guys that Facebook is 
>>> evil?
>>>
>>> Yup, that is super evil.  And it's the hospital that's evil, not just
>>> Facebook.  And it's the American gov't that is legalizing the evil.
>>>
>>> I went to the Grand River Hospital Web site and found a Google tracker,
>>> but no Facebook tracker.  Ublock Origin protected me.  But this US
>>> hospital isn't just installing an off-the-shelf tracker as part of the
>>> usual Web dev "best practices" boilerplate code; their Web code is
>>> explicitly sending detailed personal medical information from form
>>> submissions to Facebook.  Fortunately, that practice is illegal in
>>> Ontario, at least.
>>>
>>> Although I'm skeptical that Ontario medical privacy legislation provides
>>> the level of protection you'd expect from a reading of the statutes.  
>>> The
>>> vast majority of Ontarians with COVID vaccinations have had their vax
>>> status made available on the Internet.  You have the right to refuse
>>> this, but they don't tell you this when you get a vax shot.  If you make
>>> an issue of it, then you sign a paper form, they give you a paper vax
>>> receipt, and your medical information is not posted to the Internet.
>>>
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