[conspire] I with I have $5000 for everyone who died of COVID-19

[Ruben Safir]

On Sun, May 10, 2020 at 05:02:33PM +0000, paulz at ieee.org wrote:
>  Ruben,
> I will not argue with your statement.
> but touches on insurance and drug prices.  
> Private insurance negotiates prices with the drug makers.  

No they don't.  You have really no idea how it works, and I have zero
desire to open another front for a long long discussion.

There is no aspect of the healthcare system, today, that functions in a
market, except, perhaps the copays that you pay.  They largely reflect
what would tract actually market prices.

The extire system is as fixed as professional wrestling.


> Medicare is not allowed to negotiate.  So Gilead may set the price at $10000, just to name a big number.  Private insurance might negotiate max of $1000.  Then people would only pay $1000.   Medicare would start with the $10000 price and decide if it should or should not be on their list of drugs.
> 
> On doctor visits, private insurance typically has a negotiated agreement on how much they will pay for what.   Medicare makes up their own list of maximum fees.  If your treatment is not on Medicare's list, they pay $0.  A friend had special conditions for cataract surgery.  Medicare would cover all of the costs for the normal procedure, but paid $0 for his procedure.  
> 
> These are a couple of reasons I don't support "Medicare for All".  
> 
>     On Sunday, May 10, 2020, 9:50:07 AM PDT, Ruben Safir <ruben at mrbrklyn.com> wrote:  
>  
>  > IMHO, those who don't like the shelter-in-place rules also would likely not want rules on drug prices.
> > 
> > 
> It that troll bait or are you confused about the logic.  I have no
> problem with any price they make up as long as everyone has to pay cash
> for it and it is never covered by any government or private third party
> payer.
> 
> You know... like let the market decide the price on suites at Giliad and
> the FDA.
> 
> 
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DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive 
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com 

Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, 
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013