[conspire] Party with iproute2 like it's 1999

[Ruben Safir]

On 3/11/20 4:50 PM, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Texx (texxgadget at gmail.com):
> 
>> I have a new appreciation for Rick's frustration with systems.
> 
> (Typo.  You meant to type 'systemd'.)
> 
>> How quaint, ifconfig is no longer installed by default.
> 
> This fact actually has little or nothing to do with systemd.  (I'm
> pretty sure nothing, but am hedging my bet with 'little or'.)
> 
> ifconfig is part of the antique net-tools package, which has been unmaintained
> for a scarily long number of years[1] and is missing some functionality
> provided by net-tools's modern replacement, the iproute2 package.
> https://www.tecmint.com/deprecated-linux-networking-commands-and-their-replacements/
> https://utcc.utoronto.ca/~cks/space/blog/linux/ReplacingNetstatNotBad
> 


But netoools sucks and it works like it was written by a bureaucrat.


> If you nonetheless still want ifconfig, netstat, arp,
> iptunnel, nameif, and route, then install the net-tools package.  

ss is particuarly crap.  I know this changes nothing, it is is crap.

so is IP6 for that matter.


> That
> package is merely not installed by default (in general) on modern Linux
> distributions.  (The iwconfig utility for wireless is likewise deemed a
> bit obsolete and has a more-modern replacement, but isn't provided by
> net-tools but rather by Wireless Tools for Linux.)
> 
>> I'm having bad luck bringing up a net interface.
> 
> Either learn to use the 'ip' command or install package net-tools.  Or
> (better) _do both_.  In any event, I strongly recommend learning the new
> iproute2 suite: ip, iw, ss, ifrename, etc.  The transition started
> in 1999, over two decades ago.
> 
> (Yeah, yeah, you get a cue to be grumpy, dig in your heels, and say you
> 'don't have time and energy to learn all-new toolsets when the existing
> ones were perfectly fine, dammit', here.  I would rather you sing that
> bit in the shower and get over it.)
> 
> (Also, it's possible to bitch that the output of 'ip', etc. sucks and 
> have a valid point, but, again, get over it. 
> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=17151046 )
> 
> 
> It's possible you might also be hankering for ifup / ifdown / ifquery
> (three hard links for one utility), which to my knowledge doesn't exist
> for RHAT-like systems, having been written by Anthony Towns for Debian
> (package ifupdown).  When ifup, etc., works OK, it's kind of magical,
> but as a high-level tool sometimes it doesn't, and you end up needing to
> go lower on the stack to your choice of iproute2 or net-tools utilities.
> 
> 
> [1] Strictly speaking, net-tools isn't totally dead, just mostly.  After
> about 15 years of zero maintenance, the net-tools maintainer forked the
> abandoned net-tools codebase in December 2016 and started developing it again.
> In so doing, he chose to change the output of most of the net-tools
> commands, which implicitly will break scripts that rely on them, and IMO
> furnished yet another reason to hurry up and get use to iproute2.
> 
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