[conspire] Schools WTFery

[Ruben Safir]

Didn't Reagan successful end the Department of Education?

I guess not.  Now it all comes full circle.

https://www.chronicle.com/article/A-Brief-History-of-GOP/243739

Do I want the federal government more involved in education?  I don't
know to be honest.  I would like to see the student loan program ended
and the end of International Student Visas.

I would like to see our universities get off of its adicition to foriegn
students and to focus on getting to inner city kids young and often.

State dependency on property taxes has fueled the education disparity in
every major US City, especially, NYC.  I think the feds have a better
chance of accomplishing this than states, but the federal track record
is spotty at best and are constitutionally constrained. There is no 
hope in this situation because the left has misguilded a pluality to thinking 
that police brutality is the core racial issue that the Nation faces, 
and it is not.  

The core problem is education, black on black violence, drugs abuse, and family stabilization.

It is a multigenerational problem that is expensive to fix, and gives no
immediate results...so it is not going to happen.

It took 40 years for the Jews to become a free People after 400 hunderd
years of slavery in Egypt, and we had fatal errors along the way and had 
God as a sheapard and Moses as our prophet.

What chance does the American Black community have?


On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 11:19:04AM -0400, Ruben Safir wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 20, 2020 at 04:05:30PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> > Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben at mrbrklyn.com):
> > 
> > > > Anything I'm missing?
> > > 
> > > Quite a bit, starting with getting more sleep.
> > > 
> > > As for taking the most advanced and precious form of troll bait, I might
> > > bite if it was writen with less vitriol.
> > 
> > Excuse me, you _are_ Ruben Safir, right?  This isn't just some
> > irony-deficient person who's broken into Ruben's e-mail?
> > 
> > So, I'm sorry, if you really _are_ Ruben Safir, I am willing to grant
> > you the Chutzpahnic of the Year Award for suggesting that _anyone_ else
> > is trolling and/or writing something driven by vitriol.
> > 
> 
> 
> You are much better at it than I am.  You just think you are not, which
> is what is sooo charming about you.  
> 
> > Also:
> > 
> > > https://www.gse.harvard.edu/news/ed/17/08/when-it-comes-education-federal-government-charge-um-what
> > > 
> > > https://www2.ed.gov/about/overview/fed/role.html
> > 
> > Srsly?  You think that a rational response is throwing two unexplained
> > URLs at me?  This has to be a record achievment for you in laziness
> > lightly seasoned with arrogance.
> >
> 
> 
> These are two, hopefully balanced, legal and policital looks at States
> rights, and the federal role in education so I posted them.  I did read
> them, and don't agree with everything they say, but they are fairly
> comprehensive
> 
> The first is from Harvard.
> 
> The second os the the DOE itself, so it needs to be taken in that
> context.
> 
> 
> > Have you ever stopped and considered if there might be some consistent
> > pattern behind you, by your own account, having been throw off and
> > banned from every mailing list you've ever been a participant on
> > (excepting this one and, presumably, the ones you yourself run)?  
> > Introspection is a difficult thing, but you might want to consider
> > taking a running leap at it while you're still above ground, sir.
> > 
> > Your lazy ass is provably able to get behind a keyboard.  Sorry, hurling
> > a pair of URLs out is not a discussion.  Fuck off.
> > 
> > I nonetheless skim-read this time-wasting bullshit.
> > 
> > The long-winded Harvard piece says the Feds are in charge of some
> > funding sources for schools.  Yeah, we know that.  I already said so,
> > and that there are actual legal reasons why it's a settled point of law
> > that funding may not be lawfully used as a bludgeon by an
> > administration; that there are laws with actual teeth that prevent that,
> > and that the judges take them seriously.
> > 
> > Article goes on to stress that Federal civil rights law also extends to
> > Federal action that affects the schools.  Yeah, I already said that.
> > 
> > So, article says what I said, yet you hurl it out as if it were a
> > rebuttal.
> > 
> > Education Department piece is an anodyne bit of PR fluff that reviews
> > history and says nothing much -- and nowhere disputes anything I said.
> > 
> > You owe me that time back, bucko.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > > As for if it is in the best interest of the public for schools to open,
> > > that is a key issue.
> > > 
> > > 
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> So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
> that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
> proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
> http://www.mrbrklyn.com 
> 
> DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
> http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
> http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive 
> http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
> http://www.brooklyn-living.com 
> 
> Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, 
> but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013
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So many immigrant groups have swept through our town
that Brooklyn, like Atlantis, reaches mythological
proportions in the mind of the world - RI Safir 1998
http://www.mrbrklyn.com 

DRM is THEFT - We are the STAKEHOLDERS - RI Safir 2002
http://www.nylxs.com - Leadership Development in Free Software
http://www2.mrbrklyn.com/resources - Unpublished Archive 
http://www.coinhangout.com - coins!
http://www.brooklyn-living.com 

Being so tracked is for FARM ANIMALS and extermination camps, 
but incompatible with living as a free human being. -RI Safir 2013