[conspire] When to get a covid test, brains, and a weird case, and a cardiology vs. immunology joke

[Ivan Sergio Borgonovo]

On 8/7/20 10:41 AM, Rick Moen wrote:

> You keep reiterating the 'docs' mailing list mantra, the one I got so
> tired of you guys blitzing each other with many times each day that I
> muted the entire mailing list's delivery stream, that 'There are only
> two possible ways forward, either herd immunity or a vaccine', and
> keep missing the obvious point -- even though I keep mentioning it --
> that New Zealand had neither herd immunity nor a vaccine, yet stomped
> the infection completely out, nationwide.
> 
> Maybe the reason you 'docs' regulars (who by a _totally_ strange
> coincidence seem to all be Trumpistas) keep reiterating the mantra
> endlessly is so you can avoid thinking about the third obvious route
> forward:  competence.


Can somebody explain what heard immunity without a vaccine really means?

Waiting people die and get ill, just slower? or faster?

Slower is better than nothing since it won't put too much stress on 
health care infrastructure and will probably lower death rates etc...

But considering that at this point there is no reliable scientific 
evidence that the virus is "weakening", up to my understanding "herd 
immunity" is just another way to say: let it be.

If you check the death rates of the most hit zones (eg. Bergamo where 
you could have reasonably reliable data and a reasonably good health 
care system), and you project them worldwide you're talking about 
millions of dead people.

Considering that worldwide there are at least 6M active cases and there 
are countries that seem not to care, it's a bit annoying to keep 
quarantining your country because someone else didn't do its homework 
properly and then complain about China.

Especially as Rick says it has been proved by several countries there is 
a better working strategy.

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Ivan Sergio Borgonovo
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