[conspire] suggestions for web based email

[Ruben Safir]

On Tue, Aug 21, 2018 at 01:53:36PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Paul Zander (paulz at ieee.org):
> 
> > Ruben,
> > So how do you get your Internet connection?
> 
> I'll note in passing Ruben's assumption that he gets to decide
> definitively what is 'an affordable option' and what is not.  
> _Or_, to interpret the remark the other way, the assumption that
> other people 3000 miles away across the Internet benefit from hearing
> him voice his discontents about relative pricing in Brooklyn, NY.
> Either way, it's not much of a conversation opener.
> 
> But I shouldn't be too critical about the latter interpretation because
> I'm about to indulge an at least vaguely similar sort of
> self-indulgence.  Here's what I pay, twice a year, for the next six
> months of Raw Bandwidth Communications aDSL service _including_ a
> 255.255.255.248 aka /29 static IP allocation:
> 
> Residential DSL 384K-1.5M/128-384K monthly w/ circuit    $269.70
> 3-bit subnet for routing                                   90.00
> Public access services account paid-in-advance discount   <35.97>
>                                                           ------
> Total                                                    $323.73
>                                                           ======


Yeah, if I used DSL here to do that, I would pay that almost monthly.

something like 235 a month... or more.

I've tried to switch off of cable, buit nothing I can do to my doorstep
would even remotely help.

The point though, is that current law is providing little protection and
so I have little invested in the status quo.




> 
> (I'm pretty sure I've posted the above information here before.)
> 
> That was my payment in advance for July through December 2018 service,
> equalling $53.95/month pro rata.  Without the $90 surcharge for five 
> assignable static IP addresses (de-facto necessary for anyone hosting
> Internet servers), Raw Bandwidth would charge $38.95/month pro rata 
> for this grade of service (i.e., a single dynamically assigned IP;
> what most people do).
> 
> Discussions of relative merits of ISPs tend to devolve into noise for a
> number of reasons:  1. It's difficult to take into account locality 
> dependence (what's available depends greatly on where you are), and most
> commenters don't even try.  2. Further to the prior point, the ISP 
> discussion has a magnetic attraction for those merely wishing to push their 
> favourites without even the least effort to explain why that one and why 
> criteria other than the speaker's don't matter (or don't exist).  3. Moen's 
> Law of Bicycles (http://linuxmafia.com/~rick/lexicon.html#moenslaw-bicycles) 
> guarantees that the loudest voices will applaud whatever's cheapest
> because that's the only criterion they value and understand.
> 
> ISTR that Ruben says he has only variously undesirable alternative
> choices in Brooklyn.  So, he has to either stick with what he has or
> move, and he's not going to move.  I sympathise.  My own problem
> is that although Raw Bandwidth is a superior vendor in all the ways I
> value, the fundamental problem is that Chez Moen's at pretty much the
> maximum distance from the telco central office in downtown Menlo Park,
> about two miles away, so effective bandwidth is a bit subpar for aDSL.
> I can either stick with what I have or move, and I'm not going to move.
> (The only lateral move would be to move my Internet operations onto 
> Comcast cable, but I regard them as spawn of the devil and also 
> technically incompetent and providing terrible customer service, so no.)
> 
> FWIW, I'm relatively price-insensitive, i.e., a competitor would have to 
> be a _lot_ cheaper to attract me, because I doubt any are going to be 
> a lot better in other ways, as Mike Durkin's company (Raw Bandwidth) 
> in my experience consistently offers the best service available in 
> the local aDSL CLEC market, particularly given where I am in West Menlo
> Park.  I happen to value a DSL provider not sucking, and unlike many
> customers can recognise the difference.
> 
> Other lateral moves could be discussed such as MiFi that I consider 
> technically inapplicable and also of doubtful cost-effectiveness for a
> household use-case unless you're desperate and lack alternatives.
> 
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