[conspire] running without a DE- ancilliary tools? [was Re: (forw) Re: InstallFest on Apr. 13th]

[Tony Godshall]

oops.  that was poorly truncated.  I meant:

A good day to be grumpy.  Formerly very reliable and open speakeasy
has aparently mergered with covad et al to become megapath, with an
opaque and monolithic website, requiring all kinds of authentication
before any information is imparted, and connection was down all day,
and I had to fart around with iptables and netcat and DNS to get email
rerouted.  New connection from Etheric Networks seems really good so
far though.  5 GHz dish on the roof, 15 Mbps symmetric with 6 Mbps
SLA.

We probably shouldn't discuss "guilt tripping", though I certainly do
apologize for coming across as such.  I'd certainly appreciate a
little less presumption of intent.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 10:14 PM, Tony Godshall <togo at of.net> wrote:
> A good day to be grumpy.  Formerly very reliable and open speakeasy
> has become opaque and monolithic megapath, and I had to fart around
> with iptables and netcat to get email rerouted around them.
>
> I quoted you and forked the conversation, by the way, because you
> illustrated a point quite well.  Sorry, I didn't mean it to be a
> personal and direct query, but I did reply all which did put your name
> first, and I understand now how you took it so.  No disingenuouseness
> intended.
>
> T
>
> On Tue, Apr 16, 2013 at 5:38 PM, Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com> wrote:
>> Quoting Tony Godshall (togo at of.net):
>>
>>> And indeed I had done some, and got a bit stuck.  I've learned to use
>>> iwconfig and arping and nmap and have fought with network-manager and
>>> wpa-supplicant.  I've tried to read convoluted code and backed away.
>>> Perhaps you'd have preferred if I'd have spelled all that out.
>>
>> Because those of us who do online help are at some risk of getting surly
>> and cynical, especially when busy and tired, it is sometimes handy to
>> briefly summarise what you've already tried in your own investigations
>> before asking others for help.  No obligation; it just shows you did
>> some of the basics.  (That also might help others avoid chewing up time
>> looking into those same basics.)
>>
>> I was a little more than usually at risk for being surly and cycnic this
>> busy Tuesday mid-morning, because my mother-in-law had woken me early,
>> out of a very pleasant sleep, saying 'Rick, I think we need to do
>> something.  The freezer's melted.'  As it turned out, her notion of 'we'
>> did not include herself:  She offered no help whatsoever at any point
>> over the next hour, and instead stood intermittantly in my way and asked
>> me poorly thought-out, interfering questions as I was trying to carry
>> out corrective pragmatic actions.
>>
>> So, I can perhaps be forgiven a little cynicism when faced shortly
>> thereafter with someone asking me[1] questions on a very busy workday
>> while showing absolutely no sign of having done any investigation
>> himself.  And, worse, _then_ attempting to guilt-trip me for
>> insufficiently assisting unidentified GNOME and KDE users who are not in
>> evidence and who are not in any obvious way my problem to begin with.
>>
>> [1] Protest all you want that you were intending to address your query
>> to the mailing list generally and not particularly at me, but that is
>> rather disingenuous when you were responding to and quoting my upthread
>> postings.  So, sorry, no, you were pretty much primarily asking me.
>>
>>
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