[conspire] Book Burning continues thanks to the Feds

Ruben Safir ruben at mrbrklyn.com
Thu Mar 24 19:28:27 PDT 2011

On Thu, Mar 24, 2011 at 07:23:55PM -0700, Rick Moen wrote:
> Quoting Ruben Safir (ruben at mrbrklyn.com):
> > No.  There is PROPERTY and EXCLUSIVE GRANTS which are not property.
> Oh really?
> Tell me why a a municipal bond is property despite being an exclusive
> grant.  Tell me why mineral rights are property despite being an
> exclusive grant.  

Because Bonds are covered under the Comerce and Property part of the US
Constitution and Copyright is a SEPERATE part of the US Consitution and
they have different properties.

> I think I'm driving the point into the ground, at this point.  You are
> well aware of the fact that, functionally, 'property' is anything you
> can buy, sell, or rent.  You just don't like that fact, and are pounding
> the table as if that were logic.
> > And then there is different kinds of property, real, chatel etc.
> That was _my_ point, sir.  Property is simply a bundle of rights --
> exactly as we are taught in law classes.  Various sorts of bundles
> exist.  They are called 'property' if they behave like property, i.e.,
> having the features of exclusivity and economic use.
> In object oriented programming terms, one would say those are the
> properties of property.
> > And the section you want to particularly look at, BTW, is section 102.
> I'm well aware of the scope of copyright, sir.  What's your point?
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