[conspire] Linux Mint Debian now with KDE4.444

[Tony Godshall]

Dude, I'm getting really dizzy.

Best Regards.


On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 19:21, bruce coston <jane_ikari at yahoo.com> wrote:

> #1 , My bad , not actually in their  " kde4 " yet . Now that I'm in kde
> 4.444 , I can't move panel to the side no matter what . I'm seriously
> planning on trying the pardus with recent kde3 fork and the buntu dvd on the
> trinity site . I'm eyeing an ubuntu repository that includes the trinity
> code now . My attempts at using the debian repository at trinity failed ,
> probably a permissions thing , as switching between root and sudo security
> models gets messy . The per manual grub2 operation did get entry 3 as boot
> default but also added everything grub2 already found to the bootable
> entries again . I rarely got severely different window behavior during my
> many w98 re-installs . ...
>
> ... are nothing compared to a reinstall of windoze!!!
>
> Margaret...
> > Don't wonder why Linux lost market share recently :
> > I got the current debian mint version of " kde " 4 " working " - WOW what
> a
> > stinker , ...>
> > It's no surprise that the recent " corporate " version of Pardus uses a
> > KDE3 variant , ...
> >
> > Just because the dying company maned Microsoft moved the panel somewhere
> > bad and destroyed their start menu with the " slab " abomination does not
> > make it a good idea . As an analogy microsoft coders changed their start
> > button as a form of pissing their names in the snow . AND now your users
> > don't really expect such microsoft errors any  more . [ More mobile
> devices
> > ship now than computers and microsoft stinks at mobile , the handwritings
> on
> > the wall , barring serious changes microsoft = dead . ]
> >
> > Honestly , as a manager who authorized all this research etc. do you
> really
> > want to tell your boss " we couldn't make any improvements " or cite some
> > study of small sample size that claims an improvement and gets you
> promoted
> > , just like the eventual B of A president who had recommended a bunch of
> > ultimately bad loans in S. America ... realized he could climb the ladder
> > before it went bad .  Enron suffered a similar quirk of perverse
> promotions
> > before their hugely unexpected bankruptcy , unless you looked at the
> > accounting exemptions they got from congress .
> ...
> > Did the new user interface folks try to implement more " features " that
> > oppose the known preferable methods from user research again , and I mean
> > really doing research as opposed to polling your best buddies and
> declaring
> > all other facts false . This is degenerating back to the parts of the
> most
> > disfunctional gnome human interface guidelines where I found them boldly
> > claiming " real research " proved the opposite of the real referenced
> > findings of human interface research amid a Multiverse of obfuscations .
> > Kde3.x did so many things so well , like giving me the ' Be II ' window
> > title bars when set to do that , that it suffered a giant smear campaign
> > over bugs . Nobody does the user preferences as well as they did . The
> side
> > panel here truly stinks when compared to the old kde3 style of
> > implementation .
> >
> > Grub2 seemed to find some more things it can maybe boot as a side effect
> of
> > me  changing the default boot entry ....[it refound the same stuff and
> appended it.]...> My cat insists I stop now
> >  - Bruce ...
> >
> > Murder adding the trinity repositories to sources.lst of my installation
> > of the? most recent debian variant of Mint and they don't appear to
> > work . Does anyone know how to fix it ? I'm not sure squeeze was the
> > right version but nothing downloads from pearson or sometimes debian at
> > all . Is this new version churn from debian . I'd like a " desktop
> > environment " vs. this filth !
> >
> > ?- love and kisses - Bruce
> > PS.
> > this bios stinks but an old enough distro cd gave me the grub error 18
> > that let me figure it out . Why did grub2 change the ui. , I can only
> > assume " ego - embolism " or commercial sabotage . ...>
> --
> Margaret Wendall
> mwendall-at-gmail-dot-com
> "Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" - Juvenal ...
>
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:11:14 -0800 (PST)
> From: Paul Zander <paulz at ieee.org <http://mc/compose?to=paulz@ieee.org>
> >...
> Seeing your determination to get Mint working, got me thinking that I
> should consider using Mint.
>
> Obviously you don't like KDE4.  How much effort would it be to install an
> earlier version of KDE?  Or is Mint like Ubuntu, which makes it easy to
> install the "standard release" and difficult to do anything else?
>
> Guess I should test drive the live DVD for at least a few hours before
> deciding to install.  As background I was using Unix with ksh before Linux
> was widely available.  I also have a strong sense of, "If it aint' broke,
> don't fix it."  As a corollary if KDE works, leave it alone.  There are
> plenty of other things to work on.
>
> Related question:  You referred to Debian-Mint.  Numerous web-sites refer
> to Ubuntu-Mint.  Guess I just opened the door to a lot of comments.
>
> Paul...
> From: Rick Moen <rick at linuxmafia.com<http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com>
> >
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>     supposed kde4
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> Quoting Paul Zander (paulz at ieee.org <http://mc/compose?to=paulz@ieee.org>
> ):
>
> > Obviously you don't like KDE4.  How much effort would it be to install
> > an earlier ...
>
> This is just an off-the-cuff impression, so take cum grano salis, but
> the hitch is going to be package dependencies.  You could take an
> installation of Linux Mint Debian Edition and remove KDE 4.6 packages,
> but then where are you going to get a set of Debianised KDE 3.x
> software, even in Debian source code form, let alone compatible
> binaries?  A fallback would be to attempt to find a non-Debian, but
> nonetheless maintained and debugged, set of KDE 3.x source code and
> attempt to create and compile a set of Debian packages from that, but
> that sounds like a huge project.  One would have to hate 4.6 and love
> 3.x a _whole_ lot, and have a great deal of time and energy to spare.
>
> No offence intended to Bruce, but I don't think his dislike of 4.6 is so
> far inspiring much corrective action beyond complaining about it, and
> searching around for something that still packages 3.x.
>
> > Related question:  You referred to Debian-Mint.  Numerous web-sites
> > refer to Ubuntu-Mint.  Guess I just opened the door to a lot of
> > comments.
> ...
> Regular Linux Mint is binary compatible with Ubuntu.  LMDE is binary
> compatible with Debian.
>
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