<div><br></div><div>Dude, I'm getting really dizzy.</div><br clear="all">Best Regards.<br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 19:21, bruce coston <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jane_ikari@yahoo.com">jane_ikari@yahoo.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0"><tbody><tr><td valign="top" style="font:inherit">#1 , My bad , not actually in their " kde4 " yet . Now that I'm in kde 4.444 , I can't move panel to the side no matter what . I'm seriously planning on trying the pardus with recent kde3 fork and the buntu dvd on the trinity site . I'm eyeing an ubuntu repository that includes the trinity code now . My attempts at using the debian repository at trinity failed , probably a permissions thing , as switching between root and sudo security models gets messy . The per manual grub2 operation did get entry 3 as boot default but also added everything grub2 already found to the bootable entries again . I rarely got severely different window behavior during my many w98 re-installs . ...<br>
<blockquote style="border-left:2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255);margin-left:5px;padding-left:5px"><div>... are nothing compared to a reinstall of
windoze!!!<br><br>Margaret...<br>> Don't wonder why Linux lost market share recently :<br>> I got the current debian mint version of " kde " 4 " working " - WOW what a<br>> stinker , ...><br>
> It's no surprise that the recent " corporate " version of Pardus uses a<br>> KDE3 variant , ...<br>><br>> Just because the dying company maned Microsoft moved the panel somewhere<br>> bad and destroyed their start menu with the " slab " abomination does not<br>
> make it a good idea . As an analogy microsoft coders changed their start<br>> button as a form of pissing their names in the snow . AND now your users<br>> don't really expect such microsoft errors any more . [ More mobile devices<br>
> ship now than computers and microsoft stinks at mobile , the handwritings on<br>> the wall , barring serious changes microsoft = dead . ]<br>><br>> Honestly , as a manager who authorized all this research etc. do you
really<br>> want to tell your boss " we couldn't make any improvements " or cite some<br>> study of small sample size that claims an improvement and gets you promoted<br>> , just like the eventual B of A president who had recommended a bunch of<br>
> ultimately bad loans in S. America ... realized he could climb the ladder<br>> before it went bad . Enron suffered a similar quirk of perverse promotions<br>> before their hugely unexpected bankruptcy , unless you looked at the<br>
> accounting exemptions they got from congress .<br>...<br>> Did the new user interface folks try to implement more " features " that<br>> oppose the known preferable methods from user research again , and I mean<br>
> really doing research as opposed to polling your best buddies and declaring<br>> all other facts false . This is degenerating back to the parts of the most<br>> disfunctional gnome human interface guidelines where I found them
boldly<br>> claiming " real research " proved the opposite of the real referenced<br>> findings of human interface research amid a Multiverse of obfuscations .<br>> Kde3.x did so many things so well , like giving me the ' Be II ' window<br>
> title bars when set to do that , that it suffered a giant smear campaign<br>> over bugs . Nobody does the user preferences as well as they did . The side<br>> panel here truly stinks when compared to the old kde3 style of<br>
> implementation .<br>><br>> Grub2 seemed to find some more things it can maybe boot as a side effect of<br>> me changing the default boot entry ....[it refound the same stuff and appended it.]...> My cat insists I stop now<br>
> - Bruce ...<br>><br>> Murder adding the trinity repositories to sources.lst of my installation<br>> of the? most recent debian variant of Mint and they don't appear to<br>> work . Does anyone know how to fix it
? I'm not sure squeeze was the<br>> right version but nothing downloads from pearson or sometimes debian at<br>> all . Is this new version churn from debian . I'd like a " desktop<br>> environment " vs. this filth !<br>
><br>> ?- love and kisses - Bruce<br>> PS.<br>> this bios stinks but an old enough distro cd gave me the grub error 18<br>> that let me figure it out . Why did grub2 change the ui. , I can only<br>> assume " ego - embolism " or commercial sabotage . ...><br>
-- <br>Margaret Wendall<br>mwendall-at-gmail-dot-com<br>"Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?" - Juvenal ...<br><br>Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 17:11:14 -0800 (PST)<br>From: Paul Zander <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=paulz@ieee.org" target="_blank">paulz@ieee.org</a>>...<br>
Seeing your determination to get Mint working, got me thinking that I should consider using Mint. <br><br>Obviously you don't like KDE4. How much effort would it be to
install an earlier version of KDE? Or is Mint like Ubuntu, which makes it easy to install the "standard release" and difficult to do anything else?<br><br>Guess I should test drive the live DVD for at least a few hours before deciding to install. As background I was using Unix with ksh before Linux was widely available. I also have a strong sense of, "If it aint' broke, don't fix it." As a corollary if KDE works, leave it alone. There are plenty of other things to work on.<br>
<br>Related question: You referred to Debian-Mint. Numerous web-sites refer to Ubuntu-Mint. Guess I just opened the door to a lot of comments.<br><br>Paul...<br>From: Rick Moen <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=rick@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">rick@linuxmafia.com</a>><br>
To: <a href="http://mc/compose?to=conspire@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">conspire@linuxmafia.com</a><br>Subject: Re:
[conspire] greetings from latest debian mint " linux "<br> supposed kde4<br>Message-ID: <<a href="http://mc/compose?to=20110218015703.GS26458@linuxmafia.com" target="_blank">20110218015703.GS26458@linuxmafia.com</a>><br>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8<br><br>Quoting Paul Zander (<a href="http://mc/compose?to=paulz@ieee.org" target="_blank">paulz@ieee.org</a>):<br><br>> Obviously you don't like KDE4. How much effort would it be to install<br>
> an earlier ...<br><br>This is just an off-the-cuff impression, so take cum grano salis, but <br>the hitch is going to be package dependencies. You could take an<br>installation of Linux Mint Debian Edition and remove KDE 4.6 packages, <br>
but then where are you going to get a set of Debianised KDE 3.x<br>software, even in Debian source code form, let alone compatible<br>binaries? A fallback would be to attempt to find
a non-Debian, but<br>nonetheless maintained and debugged, set of KDE 3.x source code and<br>attempt to create and compile a set of Debian packages from that, but<br>that sounds like a huge project. One would have to hate 4.6 and love<br>
3.x a _whole_ lot, and have a great deal of time and energy to spare.<br><br>No offence intended to Bruce, but I don't think his dislike of 4.6 is so<br>far inspiring much corrective action beyond complaining about it, and<br>
searching around for something that still packages 3.x.<br><br>> Related question: You referred to Debian-Mint. Numerous web-sites<br>> refer to Ubuntu-Mint. Guess I just opened the door to a lot of<br>> comments.<br>
...<br>Regular Linux Mint is binary compatible with Ubuntu. LMDE is binary<br>compatible with Debian.<br><br><a href="http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint" target="_blank">http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint</a> ... End
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