[conspire] Fwd: Re: [sf-lug] Looking for a Senior MySQL administrator in San Francisco

[Adrien Lamothe]

I don't have a problem with job listings. But, this is a mailing list, and a mailing list is a place where people discuss things that warrant discussion. So a job poster shouldn't be surprised when members start dissecting the job posting. User group mailing lists are not employment agencies, so the same ettiquette doesn't apply.

jim stockford <jim at well.com> wrote: 
    when we have a larger member set or when our
member set makes a larger noise, then we'll know
the policy--in the fashion of running out in front of
the parade.
    did you witness the bayPIGgies commotion after
Marilyn took leadership and raised the issue of
name change? My take is that the topic was better
left alone. Some of those who came out of the
woodwork called for greater professionalism and
something like dignity. I'm antithetical to such.
There's no real problem with job postings at this
point, so no need for policy statements. Leadership
is best when lightest, as a rule.
    None-the-less, your points are taken, as you'll
see in the soon-to-be sf-lug documentation you
suggested.


On Jul 11, 2006, at 6:23 PM, Rick Moen wrote:

> Just to further comment on my point:
>
> Quoting jim stockford (jim at well.com):
>
>> As the sf-lug group has no leader (and hopefully won't), action
>> depends on some kind of consensus.
>
> In the case of a posted job policy for the SF-LUG mailing list, as a
> matter of _process_, action depends on possessing the listadmin 
> password
> for the Mailman administrative interface
> (http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/admin/sf-lug).  To my knowledge, that
> password is known only to Jim Stockford and lx_rudis, two of the
> group's...  er... leaders.  ;->   (In addition, I _can_ get in using 
> the
> Mailman site-wide password, but have a hands-off policy.)
>
> So, either of you could go into, say,
> http://linuxmafia.com/mailman/admin/sf-lug/general, find the field for
> "An introductory description - a few paragraphs - about the list...",
> and put something like "Yes, job postings are welcome, by the way."
> right under the existing text "General discussion mailing list for the
> San Francisco group SF-LUG."
>
> My point?  There's a tendency in volunteer groups to do nothing at all 
> --
> working on becoming an uncarved rock, but in a rather non-Zen fashion 
> --
> whenever any diversity of views emerges, on a discussed issue.
>
> But the problem is that what results _is_, despite intentions, a 
> policy.
> It's just that, in this case, it's the policy of being 
> _un-informative_.
> Which I personally think is, to quote an old boss of mine, "almost 
> useful",
> i.e., not useful at all.
>
> Doing nothing at all, not even posting a statement that "There are
> diverse views on this question" in the absence of unanimity
> ("consensus"), is a bad habit, methinks.
>
>
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