From rick Fri Jan 31 00:35:25 2003 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 00:35:25 -0800 To: luv@luv.asn.au Subject: Re: Corporate Pressure [Andrew wanted help in pressuring MYOB to create and offer a Linux port.] Quoting Andrew Greig (AndrewLGreig@netscape.net): > This is very disappointing! I opened this thread to get some support > in emailing these companies in an effort to remove a hurdle to the > uptake of Linux by small business. Not only does it appear that > depite lots of opinion put forward, no one has put their hand up and > said."Yes I'll write too!". [...] I believe that this thread is not a > trivial issue. I sympathise. Please understand that, for the past decade or so, the Linux community has tended to shed the habit -- well entrenched among proprietary OS users -- of petitioning software houses for platform support. If existing application vendors don't want to do Linux ports, then someone may write something better. Maybe even something lawfully maintainable by third parties (i.e., open source), so it doesn't end up being just a temporary visitor to Linux[1], but rather becomes something permanently available. The vendor you're talking about don't sound like a likely prospect, since very likely their code is highly non-portable -- and software houses really hate having to maintain multiple codebases of the same app. [1] For example: http://linuxmafia.com/wpfaq/ -- Resize your browser so the following line touches both margins!
Best Regards, Rick Moen, rick@linuxmafia.com Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 21:15:09 +1100 From: Andrew Greig To: Rick Moen CC: luv@luv.asn.au Subject: Re: Corporate Pressure Thanks Rick, Probably 80% of small business in Australia runs on either Quickbooks or MYOB. For administration of a company you basically need a good office suite and an easy to use accounting package. Since the advent of our Goods and services tax (VAT in Canada) software has been vital for this. Now an extra burden has been placed on the shoulders of small business: the escalating cost of hardware and software upgrades has made it harder for small business. This is an opportune time to encourage businesses to make the leap to Linux, except that they would jump more readily if their financial history could be carried forward in a Linux version of these two brands. Personally I could care less for either of them, but I did notice when looking at GnuCash the other day that it will accept files in the QIF format (Quicken Interchange File?), which could make it easier for those using Quickbooks. If we could find someone with the time and inclination to do a Samba like treatment of MYOB for Mac OS X, then we would have the raw materials for a full page ad in a major daily, or maybe a full page article with a small ad, hehehe. Personally I like the idea of SQL Ledger which runs in MySQL or PostgreSQL under Apache. Access it by browser, highly configurable, inventory, AP, AR all the good stuff. But all the customer histories and data would have to be re-entered, hard to sell. Great for start ups, though. Anyway, thanks for your sympathy. Andrew Greig From rick Fri Jan 31 17:12:48 2003 Date: Fri, 31 Jan 2003 17:12:48 -0800 To: luv@luv.asn.au Subject: Re: Corporate Pressure User-Agent: Mutt/1.4i Quoting Donovan Craig (donovan@snapfrozen.com): > I agree that this is not a trivial issue. However, I don't agree with > hassling MYOB as (I have already done so on a couple of occasions) they > are so obviously not interested in seeing the light for their own good. > > I personally believe it's far better to just start using alternatives. > This is something that they will listen to as it will begin eating into > their bottom line. Indeed. Look at it from their point of view. A software company with a commanding presence in an established market (MYOB, Quicken) that is making easy money in it will feel little incentive to suddenly start trying to move into a radically different one, especially when they cannot leverage their existing, highly non-portable codebase, and would have to code largely from scratch, to suit the new environment. They would know that competitors will have a difficult time breaking into _their_ niche, whereas expanding into other OSes would be a speculative effort, even if porting were feasible (which in this case, clearly it is not). Other companies, that don't have a non-portable codebase in a well-established niche, are much, much, much more likely to be interested in Linux. Those are some of the reasons why campaigns to get MYOB, Quicken, TurboTax (popular in the USA; not sure about Oz), MS-Office, AutoCAD, and similar sorts of things ported to Linux are -- in my view -- a waste of time and energy. Either they'll come to Linux eventually out of fear of being left in the ashheap of history (i.e., perceived self-interest) or not. In the latter case, they may be replaced by others who grab the niche that they could have had. In any event, the history of Linux is that of not asking others to port code (especially proprietary code), but rather find or creating other ways to solve the problem on our terms -- preferably ones that cannot be withdrawn based on corporate fortunes (i.e., that are open source). This is why I will personally have nothing to do with petitions to software houses for Linux ports. (Others' views will inevitably differ.) Besides, even if you grant that such campaigns are desirable, the people behind them almost never actually deliver them to those empowered to make decisions about platform support. If you either (1) write/call the company's technical support, or (2) call the sales number, you'll simply receive a polite canned response from people who've been supplied it for that purpose. If you think this is an effective way to reach decision-makers, you're simply mistaken. They won't even hear you at all. You may feel this is not a rational way for companies to behave. Whether that's true is irrelevant: It's the way companies _do_ behave. This is one reason why sometimes companies deal with shifts in marketing opportunties in a Darwinian fashion: The ones dumb enough to ignore fundamental changes and opening/closing opportunites perish, and ones better prepared to deal with the market survive and take their place. > This is why this thread was taken over. People are looking for > alternatives. > > Support the companies who are doing the right thing. Leave the > companies who aren't. It's almost a form of ethical investment :-) Quite. 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