Asterisk Shortage FAQ
"All characters are equal."
(first rule of the Usenet of signal to noise ratio theory)
Due to many users who put asterisks into their sigs to make borders,
the asterisks character is used way too many times causing a shortage
for other users.
If you find yourself in such a shortage then you know what to do with people
who use these kinds of signatures:
--
Leading - Solutions. "There is a solution. A Leading Solution!"***************
Damian Perry - Supplies dperry@leading.com.au*********************************
******Ph: +61 3 9848 8000*****Fax: +61 3 9848 9999****************************
*********Check out our Web Page on http://www.leading.com.au/*****************
Please - do not waste the asterisks! Use them only when necessary!
For those of you with small fonts or too-fucking-big monitors
here is a BIG map of Australia:
Perth, to put it bluntly, is now a metalocation. It's a symbol. It has
transcended mere corporeal existence. The question of whether the fabled gifs
of Marina Sirtis actually exist has not yet been settled, but that doesn't stop
people looking for them. Similarly, whether Perth is "really" located on the
west coast of Australia, or on the eastern seaboard of the US, or in the left
nostril of that face on Mars, is beside the point. One might as well ask
whether Rush "really" was a band -- it doesn't matter! All that matters is
that, like Bob Dylan, they came up with a lot of quotes that sound significant
but don't tie you down to actually _meaning_ anything -- perfect for sigs!
Perth is to Usenet as El Dorado was to the conquistadors, or Atlantis was to
Edgar Cayce, or Venus is to Alexander Abian. Every time you spot a .sig with an
excess of asterisks, that's another sighting of Perth. Every ascii map of
Australia contains Perth, although it may not technically be visible.
Every BUAG, in fact, contains Perth, whether or not it's visible.
It's well-known fact [well, now it's well-known anyway] that any BUAG can be
transformed into a map of Australia using the appropriate coordinate system.
Anyway, Australia is known for far more things like Sydney, Tasmania,
emus, ostriches, ozzies, kiwis, toucans, and zucchinis, eg
the "Southern Cross" can be seen from there:
As you can see, both the southern cross and the map of Australia are
well within four line - and yet some Aussies use big ones like this:
[960601]
However, "it's always September - somewhere...".
And it seems that the very September of 1993 never ended.
So to show you the current offset for that September,
Rich Holmes wrote ->
september.pl
(originally called "sepdate").
Now that you have seen an example you might want to try this yourself.
Here are some goals for the uuencoded data:
Snails
ASCII snails have been on Usenet for a very long time.
They descended from Bible roaches and lived on in various publications
until they came onto Usenet through the -> "Gutenberg Project".
Here is a picture of an ASCII snail:
\@
Yes, this one is pretty small still. Cute, isn't it?
Well, they're not! In fact, they're killers!
Using a snail in your sig is dangerous!
These snails crawl around and eat away the whitespace, silly quotes and even -
your very own email address! All of this makes them GROW!
\ / @
O @@@
\@@@
And if they sit in a signature for a very long time
then they certainly grow to be BIG:
# # #####
# # # #
o o # ### #
\_/ # ### #
## # ####
## #
## #####
Don't let them fool you with that big grin. They can be really mean!
Once they grow to full size tehy will look like this:
ASCII Snail with Usenet home
#####
# #
# ### #
o o # ### #
__\_\_ # ####
/ \ #
\____ \ ##### / \
\ \_____________/ /
\ /
\________________/
Don't ever mistake the big snails for pets!
Some of them even swallow their owner.
It's not a pretty sight so we will only show the result of this:
o o
__\_\_
/ \ _____
\____ \ / \ / \
\ \__/ \o/ \__/ /
\ | /
\_______/_\______/
Yes, they have eaten the sig of many a plonked wanker.
So - if you put a snail into your sig - watch those snails
and don't use your sig too many times!
One of these people is
David C. "Davy Baby" Brogden
(deadslug@cats.ucsc.edu)
http://www.armory.com/~deadslug/.
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED!
If you want to give other people a warning then you should append this
(not-McQ) signature to your posts [960811]:
--
@@@@@ @ Home of ASCII snails:
@ @ @ http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/afw/#snails
@ @@@ @ @ Help the endangered ascii snails of Usenet!
@ @@@ @ @ Send asterisks, hash marks, and at signs. Give generously!
@ @@@@ @
@ @
@@@@@ @
CAPS LOCK KEY
The "caps lock key" is very special and helpful key;
it locks down the "shift key" so you can enter a sequence of upper case
characters without having to keep a finger on a shift key.
Some people use upper case character sequences to "shout" their text into your
face. I can be fun for a few words - but it gets annoying after a few lines.
And then there are people who seem to write text in uppercase only.
These people either have a broken shift key - or they earn their living by
shouting. One of these even made it into a small book with the title
"The HitchHiker's Guid To The Galaxy
(aka THHGTTG,
see also:
http://www.winet.dk/staff/bong/guide/quotes/ukquotes.htm
and
http://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~nhughes/dna/faqs/diff.html
).
But before you set out to post - remember to take a spare shift key with you:
,-------------------------------.
| /\ |
| / \ |
| /_ _\ |
| | | |
| |__| |
| |
`-------------------------------'
[960801]
URLs in signatures
A "URL" is a "universal resource location", ie it is the address of some
information on the WWW ("world wide web"). People describe themselves
on "home pages" - and that leaves plenty of space for all kinds of info -
signatures and even ASSCI pictures.
It is a good idea to add the URL of your home page to your sig
as it gives the info that you actually have a home page and it
saves others the trouble to find out about it.
Also, it gives the name of the web server -
which is not always as simple as "www.domain".
Specialized signatures with URLs are appreciated, too,
if they give info about special info in newsgroups:
--
Sven Guckes guckes@math.fu-berlin.de Newsgroup alt.fan.warlord on WWW:
AFW Home Page: http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/afw/
AFW Best of : http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/afw/best.of/
AFW Acronyms : http://www.math.fu-berlin.de/~guckes/afw/afw.acronyms.html
[960730]
ASCII Pictures
There exists a natural urge to include pictures in signatures.
Converting a picture to ASCII is a very difficult form of art, though.
Anyone can take a picture, scan it in, convert it to GIF and then use a
GIF2ASCII converter to get an ASCII picture - but they are usually BIG.
And BIG means "no less than a half a page of a terminal" (about 1K).
The true art with ASCII pictures is to express objects in as little
characters as possible - and this is truly a very very difficult matter.
It has become a form of art and thus the newgroup
alt.ascii-art
was created.
However, there are some pinheads out there who use big ASCII pictures in
signatures:
--
Quantum Mechanic (pinhead@islandnet.com) wrote:
+ | The Church of Blarney
/_\ | Proud Providers of Unhealthy Snacks(tm)
/___\ | to the Jihad (exorcisms upon request).
/_____\ | ---------------------------------------
/_______\ | Home of St. Windigo The Feral, Shredder
/_________\ | of Spongies
_+_ /___________\ _+_ |
|_|_|_/_____________\_|_|_| | ---------------------------------------
|___|/_______________\|___| | Featuring frozen pizzas, Moosehead Beer,
|_|_|/_______________\|_|_| | Extra Value Caloric Therapies, and our
|___|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|___| | special-recipe SpongeMinion Cake(tm),
/|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_| | made with real Sponge Minions.
/_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|_|\ | ---------------------------------------
|_| |_|_|_|_|_|_|_| |_\ | Critical Mass(tm) celebrated each full
|_| |_|_|_|_|_|_|_| |_| | moon. Communion B.Y.O.S. (Bring Your
|_|_____|_|_| |_|_|_|_|_____|_| | Own Sacraments - Oreos+Jolt Cola, please)
|_|_|_|_|_|_|| ||_|_|_|_|_|_| | ---------------------------------------
|_|_|_|_|_|_|| ||_|_|_|_|_|_| | Bishop Pinhead the Cenobite:
|_|_|_|_|_|_|| ||_|_|_|_|_|_| | pinhead@islandnet.com
Father Random:reverson@charlie.usd.edu
Well, beware of these people - they probably are
"*the* youngest kid in the school district to suffer a suspension"...
The "plan file" - info by "finger"
You can read the "plan file" by people on UNIX machines by "fingering" them.
The command is "finger user@host.domain" - and it shows the contents of the
file "$HOME/.plan" (amongst other info).
The plan file sometimes contains the "PGP key" of that person
which makes it easy to add it to the keyring with the command
finger user@host.domain | pgp
However, the Inner Circle has developed a far more powerful tool - "zucchn":
ZUCCHN(1) USER COMMANDS ZUCCHN(1)
NAME
zucchn - display information about users
SYNOPSIS
zucchn [ options ] name...
DESCRIPTION
Zucchn is a direct replacement for SunOs Release 6.9's
'finger' function and supercedes 'poke' and 'goose'. By
default, zucchn displays information about each logged-in
user, including his or her: login name, full name, sex
(prepended with a `*' if zuke-permission is denied), idle
time, orientation, login time, and location (comment field
in /etc/erog_zones for users logged in locally, hostname for
users logged in remotely) if known.
Idle time is minutes if it is a single integer, hours and
minutes if a ':' is present, or days and hours if a d is
present. Stress level is directly proportional to idle time.
OPTIONS
-w Ten seconds on high in the microwave.
-F Several minutes in the freezer.
-l Force long (cucumber) output format.
-s Force short (buttplug) output format.
-q Force quick output format, which is similar to short
format except that it can be done while on break or
at lunch.
-i Force ``idle'' output format, which is similar to short
format except that hair may grow on your palms and
blindness can result.
-b Suppress printing. This is similar to -m, the Mormon
switch.
FILES
/etc/wank who is currently using zucchn
/etc/heybabe for users' names
/var/adm/lastlog times of last restroom stops.
/etc/erog_zones terminal locations
~/.plan plans
~/.project projects
~/.fantasy helpful hints
SEE ALSO
finger(1), prod(1), poke(1), thrust(1), ouch(1), sigh(3)
Schcock, H., NAME/ZUCCHN Protocol, 1977 December 30, RFC 742.
BUGS
Sometimes dinner and a movie is necessary for zucchn to be successful.
On insecure systems, several hours of talk(2) may also be helpful.
Sun Release 4.1 Last change: 10 January 1988 2
===
From: bigdave@tdd.sj.nec.com (David Sweeney x2987)
Subject: zucchn (Was: Re: finger)
To: inner-circle@crash.canon.co.uk (Them Warlordin' Fools)
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 93 16:40:43 PST
[960730]
TAB damage
A lot of signatures contain the tabulator character aka "tab".
This character is used to move the following text to the next "tab stop".
This is a nice feature to put text into columns without requiring the
need to add or delete spaces.
But the big disadvantage is that the tab stops are almost always set to
different values. While most people use multiples of eight, a lot of
programmers use multiples of four or even just three.
Thus sigs with tabs almost never look ok.
This especially is the case when sigs are quoted.
And that happens a *lot* on AFW.
The following sig illustrates the behaviour of tabs.
Please view this sig on different terminals, pagers, or any editor;
if you are using a vi clone then change the value of the tabstop with
":set tabstop=X".
Note that the fourth line contains only a tab followed by a caret (^):
--
Sven Guckes
SIG-O-METER
0123456789A
^ <- tab line!
[960116]
Banners
Ever been to Egypt? No? Well, a lot of g^Hcreeps have been.
And they obviously admire the ancient scrolls.
So much actually that they need to have them in their signature:
--
) \ / (
/|\ )\_/( /|\
* / | \ (/\|/\) / | \ *
|`.____________________/__|__o____\`|'/___o__|__\___________________.'|
| University of Essex '^` \|/ '^` University of Essex |
| V |
| |
| Alan Greep.... |
| E-mail: greea@essex.ac.uk |
| |
| "It's the old, old story - 'droid meets 'droid, 'droid |
| becomes chameleon, 'droid loses chameleon, chameleon |
| turns into blob, 'droid gets blob back again, blob |
| meets blob, blob goes off with blob and 'droid loses |
| blob, chameleon and 'droid. |
| How many times have we seen that story?" |
| |
| ._________________________________________________________________. |
|' l /\ / \\ \ /\ l `|
* l / V )) V \ l *
l/ // \I
V
There are no dragons in Egypt, you say?
Well, you've never been there, have you?
This one certainly did not watch where it flew -
and hit the scroll. So remember boys and girls -
don't fly and flame!
[960610]
BUAFs
BUAFs are "big/butt ugly ASCII fonts".
Many have been designed by numerous losers around the net for years.
They are part of almost every big sig, eg:
##, aw _gmmw_ agmm_ _gmmw_ #f _gmmw_ _agmmw _gmmw_
0### _### J#" ?#, d@ "#K J#" ?#, J# J#" ?#, #@ #Q J#" ?#,
g# #Q d@ 0# ## #QJ#~ ]# ## #Q #F ## #Q _w#" ## #Q
_#&ww0#L ,#E__0Q__## ##J#_ j# ## ## J# ## ## ""#m ## ##
## 0#_'""""0#"'9#_ _#F #K 0# 9#_ _#F #F 9#_ _#F #L J# 9#_ _#F
*#~ #* *# "#mm@" *#m#P "#mm@" d# "#mm@" "##m#@" "#mm@"
Home page: http://atlantis.ucc.ie/fergus-homepage.html
[960219]
Some fonts even include "shading" to give the letters a three-dimensional look.
"3DBUAFs" are not easy to make and most people just always get it wrong.
So before you design your own, please read the
3DBUAF FAQ.
Double Sigs
People read News and they post, but they hardly care about the setup pf their
newsreader. This causes all sorts of grief:
Badly wrapped lines, mega-hyper-super-ultra-power-quoting, invalid sender
addresses, MIME encoded ASCII, plaintext Kanji, and - double sigs.
You might think that one signature is enough - well, you're wrong.
People will tell the newsreader to append a sig
as well as use their editor to append a sig.
So they compose a post with their editor (which appends a sig)
and then they post it - and the newsreader will append the sig yet again.
A typical case of this is:
--
William Anker wanker@chese.com
Read my sig - no more asterisks!
--
William Anker wanker@chese.com
Read my sig - no more asterisks!
Sheesh!
Why don't newsreaders check for occurrence of a second "sigdashline"?
Have people RTFM until they understand the error message
"double sig means double death"!
Extra penalty for tabdamage:
Death by sauerkraut!! Or bunga-bunga. Your choice.
[960219]
Email/Usenet messages often try to hide the spoiler
by giving a warning message and adding many "empty" lines
so it is out of view from immediate viewing.
However, this is a bad method - for these reasons:
The newsreader slrn has support for spoilers.
All following non-space characters are shown as '*':
Slrn optionally squeezes a block of empty lines into a single empty line.
Adding many empty lines therefore does not have the desired effect.
In fact, this feature is very useful as you usually see more text
on your terminal that way. Do - don't turn it off.
A "newpage stop" is done when the (internal) pager of the newsreader encounters
a "newpage line" in a post, ie a line which starts with the character "control-l".
The page will not show the following text but hold it until the user presses a
key. After that key press the pager will clear the screen and continue at the
top again.
The effect is used to "overwrite" a signature with a slightly changed version
of it, thus creating a sequence of pictures which add up to a "movie".
For best results you should assume that people are using a terminal
with at most 80 characters (where have you heard this before? :-)
and at most 24 lines.
Håkan Svensson (d95-hsv@nada.kth.se) put up two of his "movie warlords" and
used client-pull to animate them:
Road Kill
Have you ever been driving on a long motorway?
Then you have probably noticed a few dead animals along the side.
Cars do that to animals - humans never. *ehem*
Those poor animals are also known as "road kill" - and it never
is a pretty sight. If you love watching horror films, though, read on:
&&
/&%%%%\
(@@@@# (%%%%## &&&%% %%&
#@@ ..0&&.. %%% &&&%%% \%
.(@). #@@@ /$&&&&&88\ $$%% /&&@%%%
.@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@&&&%%#%%$$$$$$$$$%%%%\ /&&%@/
@@@@@@@@@$$$$@@@@@@@%%%###%%%$$$$$$@@@%%%%%%&&&@@/
"@@@@$$$$$$$$@@@@@@@%%%##%%%$$$@@@@@@@@@%%%%@@/
^(@)" $$$$ \@@@@@%%%/ @@@@ \@@@@@@/
$$$ "@@*" #@@ @@@@
(##$$$$$/ (@@@@@@/
[Artwork by: hgwyman@tricon.net]
However, some people think they're cute to put into sigs:
//Z/Z// Ah yes, the new, the improved,
|\ //Z/Z// _,,,--,,_ the all purpose "Dead Cat .Sig"
/x`. //Z/Z//-'`' ._ \-;;,_ For use when posting or replying
|x4- //Z/Z// ) )_ .;.( `'-' to: alt.pet.feline & rec.anm-rights.
'---'//Z/Z//'(_/._)-'(_\_) Also available in "hanging from
//Z/Z// tree" and "12-wheeler" designs...
//Z/Z//
[Thanks to Jason Hicks dhicks@cadman.cit.buffalo.edu for this.]
[960610]
Cats in signatures get hit more often than other animals:
> ___/| _______________________
> \ oO| -----------/ "PTHPHTPHTPHTPHTPHTPH"|
> | ~| / `-----------------------'
> # `-U' # _________
> \\ || // |"Got Em" )--
> \\/ \// `--------'
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> "Tire tracks all across his | `' | //~~~~~ Va-roooom
> back means I had my fun!" \____//
> .__||||__.
> `---'`---'
[Thanks to "ickie" Karen Cooper for the good driving.]
[960608]
And as if that wasn't enough - you get dead cats in 3d, too:
--
Tigress tigress@tigerden.gun.de
_..--''``\--....__ _..,_
____ _.-'` .-/"; ` ```<._ ``-+'~=. ____
/ .-' _..--.'_ \ `(^) ) /
/ ((.-' (< _ ;.__ ; `~ /
/ `-._,_)'`` ```--..._____..-' /
/ Purrrr... C Ray /
`````````````````````````````````````````````````
"Old felines never die - they just end up in signatures."
At least that's what I thought - until 960620 when I received the following news:
Subject: Excerpted: WhiteBoard News for Wednesday, June 19, 1996
Date: Thu, 20 Jun 1996 11:40:01 -0400
From: glen mccready
Clarion County, Pennsylvania:
Dead deer are on the menu of the prison board yesterday. The panel is
expected to take up a proposal to permit road kill to be fed to inmates.
Supporters say the free venison would help round out prisoner's diets and
reduce food costs. The practice was common at jails and nursing homes
until about 30 years ago, officials say.
But Jenni Gainsborough of the American Civil Liberties Union's National Prison
Project says her group doesn't know of any prison that serves road kill. [!!]
"This among the lowest levels prison officials have sunk to, and they can
sink pretty low."
Can you imagine what inmates will do if they are served "pavement pizza"?
--
* * It's: "SPLAT - MY CAT!"
-//-//-_
+>\ --__ Slower than a speeding Landrover 110. Much slower.
+>/ _------__ Mortally slower, one might say. Rest in Pieces.
-\\-\\-- drh92@aber.ac.uk (Dan Holdsworth)
* * Old Chinese Curse: May you live in Interesting Times
So, do us a favor - don't drink and kill. Thank you!
[960801]
DrFun on roadkills:
http://sunsite.unc.edu/Dave/Dr-Fun/df9706/df970620.jpg
[970718]
Trolls
The Webster defines "troll" thus:
$ webster troll
2:a lure or a line with its lure and hook used in trolling
3:a dwarf or giant in Teutonic folklore inhabiting caves or hills
Meaning #2 is the correct one here - even though its Usenet meaning
is used in the sense of "decoy" or "bait".
A "troll" is a more general term, though.
Any kind of posting that provokes a followup of some kind might be a troll.
If was often asked (this is a lie) how to followup to a troll when you read it.
Well, here is one possible way:
Subject: Re: Troll.
From: scary@netaxs.com (j.serdy)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.kibology
Ian Porter (Ian@zx81.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: This is a troll.
this is not a flame
[960731]
A troll that provokes a warlord with a bad signature is a
"
The House of the Perpetually Warlord tenant List (HPWL)
Some people get warlorded but do not change their signature.
These people tend to get warlorded over and over again.
Usually those warlords just repeat what has already been said about them.
This tends to get VERY boring.
Therefore the HPWL was created.
And here is the list as of 940216:
From: gmcquary@Ingres.COM (George F. McQuary)
Subject: ADMIN: HotPW
Message-ID: <1994Feb16.213158.4853@pony.Ingres.COM>
Date: 16 Feb 94 21:31:58 GMT
House of the Perpetually Warlord tenant List
--------------------------------------------
* alex@bilver.uucp (Alex Matulich)
* axjb@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Anthony Bailey)
baseball@ncar.ucar.edu (Colorado Rockies logo)
* brianb@natinst.com (Br!an Bloom)
* bdb@becker.GTS.ORG (Bruce Becker) (Mr. AEIOU)
* crp5754@erfsys06.ca.boeing.com (chris payne)
* destill@mtu.edu (Stealth Dave)
* dmatt@iastate.edu (Mr. Rock Out Naked)
* DOBENSON@ua1vm.ua.edu (Joe Demon)
* earle@poseur.JPL.NASA.GOV (Greg Earle)
edsall@iastate.edu (David M Edsall) (He of the 3-D fish)
* eyvind@lise.unit.no (Another four line boring sig. Eat Lawyer!)
Frank@rover.uchicago.edu (Very bland)
gberigan@cse.unl.edu (The Crab Head thingie)
* gio@wcl.bham.ac.uk (Giovanni Ciampa, a man with saucer eyes)
* gxas@dcs.ed.ac.uk (Gavin Scott)
* hahn@newshost.lds.loral.com (Karl Hahn, Mr. Chicken)
* higgins@fnalb.fnal.gov (Bill Higgins-- Beam Jockey)
house@acsu.buffalo.edu (MST3K sig)
ibanez@ac.dal.ca (Oh no, here comes the bass solo!)
jittlov@gumby.cs.caltech.edu (Mike Jittlov, the egocentric bore)
* jym@mica.berkeley.edu (Jym Dyer)
* julian@sun-1.cs.uct.ac.za (Julian Hansen)
kartano@vipunen.hut.fi (Mikko Kartano)
kayotae@mindvox.Phantom.com (Erik M Blackwolf, out in the woods drumming again)
kebarnes@msuvx1.memst.edu (Ken Barnes, a way ugly conservative quote machine)
kludge@u.washington.edu (Moonman)
kv07@iastate.edu (Warren Kurt vonRoeschlaub)
lsjumb@leland.Stanford.EDU (Stanford Band)
lightnin@bigwpi.WPI.EDU (A man who ran short in his letter 'g' collection)
mel@maddog.ece.nd.edu (Melvin Gladstone)
ndr@tazboy.jpl.nasa.gov (Niles D. Ritter, The cause and effect)
ngsippel@miavx2.ham.muohio.edu (Norman "Muddy" Stimpy)
paull@plasma.co.uk (Paul Lee)
peter@sugar.neosoft.com (Peter "wolf-boy" DaSilva)
philip@research.canon.oz.au (Philip Craig)
raj@netcom.com (Roger Lee and the state of Tennessee. Yawn)
RICHARDVANCE@delphi.com (Richard Vance of the jumbled alphabet)
rswiftrw@cc.curtin.edu.au (Rod Swift)
scottk@lerc.nasa.gov (Scott Klosterman and his big sausage font)
shannon@inter.com (Steve Shannon and the MST3K theater)
spt@waikato.ac.nz (Simon Paul Travaglia)
stirling@ozrout.uucp (Stirling Westrup) (Mr. Bungee Sideways)
tabn3@isuvax.iastate.edu (Griffy)
walker@unx.sas.com (Doug Walker and his beer stein)
walrus@bessel.umd.edu (Grig Larson)
warren@nysernet.org (Random sig of the form: The - is - but the - is -)
weston.beal@sun.com (Weston Beal, confusing the Sun logo with a ninja star)
z_coolidgeas@ccsvax.sfasu.edu (AKANE TENDOU, anime fan)
zarthac@cs1.bradley.edu (Matt Simmons, Micky Mouse Monorail)
--
George F. McQuary
"He is mad, bad and dangerous to know." -Lady Caroline Lamb
Jorn Barger jorn@MCS.COM checked on these people on 960504
(Message-ID: <4mg2ao$2pl@Venus.mcs.com>)
and could not find any posts by the people marked with '*'.
[960806]
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