From waldo@webspan.net Fri Nov 10 19:03:41 CST 2000 Article: 455410 of rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan Path: uchinews!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!cpk-news-hub1.bbnplanet.com!news.gtei.net!feeder.qis.net!feed2.onemain.com!feed1.onemain.com!newspeer.cwnet.com!sjc1.nntp.concentric.net!newsfeed.concentric.net!global-news-master From: "Richard M. Boye'" Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan Subject: "Vileness" Part Deux - Winter's Heart Spoilers Date: 09 Nov 2000 04:02:37 GMT Organization: If You Need Ask, You Need Not Know Lines: 60 Message-ID: <3A0A21EE.5296@webspan.net> Reply-To: waldo@webspan.net NNTP-Posting-Host: 206.173.16.65 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.04 (Win95; I) Xref: uchinews rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan:455410 Spoilage by the tonnage S * P * O * I * L * E * R * S When we meet up with the remaing members of Liandrin's original coven of Black Ajah, we are privy to Asne Zemarane's thougts. In that, we see that Chesmal Emry, who figures prominantly in "New Spring," seems very proud of the fact that it was the Red Ajah that did Seiran Vayu in, and that was her handiwork. It was somewhat questionable whether or not the Black Ajah killed Seirin. Alviarin seems to think that it was the Reds, and disavowed that the Great Council of the BA had anything to do with it. Ishy put them all to the question, and they seemed to pass. However.... Chesmal is proud of the fact that she was able to set the Reds on Seirin. So, I suppose that you could say that the Black Ajah was indeed responsible for Seirin's murder, yet since Chesmal is apparently -not- a member of the Great Council, Alviarin wuldn't be aware of Chesmal's actions. Now, if only had some detail about what exactly the Reds did, and which Reds. -- Richard M. Boye' * waldo@webspan.net http://www.webspan.net/~waldo/ UIN:9021244 "Some men lead lives of quiet desperation. My desperation makes a pathetic whining sound." From jhamby@cub.kcnet.org Fri Nov 10 19:04:04 CST 2000 Article: 455423 of rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan Message-ID: <3A0A28E9.46E2AB7D@cub.kcnet.org> Date: Wed, 08 Nov 2000 23:32:41 -0500 From: John Hamby X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en]C-CCK-MCD snapN45b1 (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan Subject: Re: "Vileness" Part Deux - Winter's Heart Spoilers References: <3A0A21EE.5296@webspan.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit NNTP-Posting-Host: goliath2 Lines: 121 X-Authenticated-User: jhamby X-Comments: This message was posted through Newsfeeds.com X-Comments2: IMPORTANT: Newsfeeds.com does not condone, nor support, spam or any illegal or copyrighted postings. X-Comments3: IMPORTANT: Under NO circumstances will postings containing illegal or copyrighted material through this service be tolerated!! X-Report: Please report illegal or inappropriate use to You may also use our online abuse reporting from: http://www.newsfeeds.com/abuseform.htm X-Abuse-Info: Please be sure to forward a copy of ALL headers, INCLUDING the body (DO NOT SEND ATTACHMENTS) Organization: Newsfeeds.com http://www.newsfeeds.com 73,000+ UNCENSORED Newsgroups. Path: uchinews!vixen.cso.uiuc.edu!howland.erols.net!europa.netcrusader.net!204.71.68.178!local-out.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!goliath2.newsfeeds.com!newsfeeds.com!g2!anonymous!g2 Xref: uchinews rec.arts.sf.written.robert-jordan:455423 "Richard M. Boye'" wrote: > Spoilage by the tonnage > > S > > * > > P > > * > > O > > * > > I > > * > > L > > * > > E > > * > > R > > * > > S > > When we meet up with the remaing members of Liandrin's original coven of > Black Ajah, we are privy to Asne Zemarane's thougts. In that, we see > that Chesmal Emry, who figures prominantly in "New Spring," seems very > proud of the fact that it was the Red Ajah that did Seiran Vayu in, and > that was her handiwork. > > It was somewhat questionable whether or not the Black Ajah killed > Seirin. Alviarin seems to think that it was the Reds, and disavowed that > the Great Council of the BA had anything to do with it. Ishy put them > all to the question, and they seemed to pass. > Actually Alviarin's certainty that the BA were not behind Sierin's death always had me thinking she was BA herself. I do think that Ishamael's heavy handed questioning was aimed more toward determining the level of involvement in Jarna Malari's scheme of eliminating the DR via a male channeler purge. > > However.... Chesmal is proud of the fact that she was able to set the > Reds on Seirin. So, I suppose that you could say that the Black Ajah > was indeed responsible for Seirin's murder, yet since Chesmal is > apparently -not- a member of the Great Council, Alviarin wuldn't be > aware of Chesmal's actions. Asne also seems to think Chesmal is basically an idiot. Which is why even if Chesmal takes credit for steering the Reds to killing Sierin, it does not eliminate Sierin being BA. Asne's opinion certainly does not discredit Chesmal being stupid enough to take down a BA Amyrlin. After all it is quite likely that Chesmal's steering of the Reds is a joke. Galina was Head of the Reds at this time and quite possibly a member of the Council by then. If Sierin threatened the BA's secrecy in any way, her murder certainly did not need orchestrated by Chesmal. Alviarin's certainty also raises doubts that Sierin truly posed any true threat to Chesmal. I do tend to wonder why it would take Sierin four years to figure things out if she truly was innocent and intelligent enough to figure it out. > > > Now, if only had some detail about what exactly the Reds did, and which > Reds. > Also I would still like to know exactly which Amyrlin oversaw the Red Sitter purge? Was it Sierin and this is the reason that not only Chesmal but Alviarin think the Reds did the deed? Or was it Marith who wanted to completely dismantle the Red's actions? The quote about how Jarna Malari's plan did not truly end until the death of a second Amyrlin (Sierin) makes me think that Sierin (with more than a touch of Red) was aiding and abetting the Reds even if she was not BA. Anyone attending a signing, could you please see if he will answer whether the three Red Sitters were exiled by Sierin or the Blue sister who succeeded her? --- JSH -----= Posted via Newsfeeds.Com, Uncensored Usenet News =----- http://www.newsfeeds.com - The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! -----== Over 80,000 Newsgroups - 16 Different Servers! =-----