Contributors: Roy Navarre, Thomas Petersen, John Hansen, Joe Shaw, Erica Sadun, Pam Korda, Don Harlow, etc.
Patrick Nielsen Hayden (email@example.com) wrote: Darrell Sweet is a careful reader and an intelligent man who skillfully paints what his clients ask him to paint; please don't blame him for the decisions of others.
Well, who can we blame for the cover fiasco, then? :) -- Geoffrey Wiseman
Timothy Bruening: On the front cover of tEotW,
Moiraine is sitting crosslegged on a horse. How does she stay on?
Patrick Nielsen Hayden: Remember all that glue we saved by not attaching the covers firmly enough? Well, it had to get used somewhere.
John Hansen adds: This can only be the scene where Rand steals back the horn. When he and Loial arrive back at their camp, Rand sends Hurin off the "outcrop" to look at the activity down below. The horn is in a large ornate gold chest that is strapped to the saddle of Loial's huge fetlocked horse. Selene reaches up and opens the chest pushing the lid up and letting it fall open. On her tip-toes she reaches into the chest and Rand quickly reaches over her shoulder and lifts the horn out of the chest. It is full night and the moonlight glimmers on the horn (which looks like it was drawn correctly). No Trollocs are anywhere near at this point. After a moment Rand returns the horn to the chest and after further discussion about the curved dagger, he puts it in as well and closes the chest. So, the scene (if accurate) should have a large horse and a gold chest in it.]
Pam K: Of course the cover art is truly awful; although Mr. Sweet finally got the coats right-ish. Rhuidean doesn't look TOO bad; and the Trollocs actually look beast-ish, as opposed to men-with-horns-on-their-helmets (TGH). but, all the people look goofy, esp. Mat w/ his Clint Eastwood hat. Rand's been to the plastic surgeon again.
Jenny Foss: What is that hat Mat is wearing? He looks like Crocodile Dundee. "That's not a spear! THIS is a spear!"
Various comments off of r.a.sf.w.r-j. Specific attributions are lost in the mists of time.
And the most distinguishing characteristic about Rand, other than his height and hair, are the Dragons on his arms. What is supposed to be a pair of very large tattoos covering him all the way up to his elbows are reduced to gold bracelets.
And worst of all, this is the seventh Rand we've had! He doesn't look _anything_ like _any_ of the characters on previous book covers! Rand is on every goddam cover of every goddam book, and every goddam incarnation of Rand is distinct and different! They don't even _resemble_ each other!
No truce with the Shadow. No excuses for crap.
Don Harlow: I think you are missing the point, John. The character on the cover is not Rand; he is obviously Sammael. Those things on his arms are not intended to be dragons. They are tattoos that he got when he was a sergeant in the AoL army. They are words in Old Tongue curliglyphs. One says "hot" and the other says "cold." I think that Sweet was showing great daring and originality when he proposed this cover to Tor.
Pam Korda: What I love is that "Rand" has this Conanesque musculature on his arm, and these teeny-weeny, skinny little legs. (That's what happens when you only work the upper body.--Novak) And what is that glowing hole in the ground supposed to be? I can usually respect Sweet's depiction of non-human things; he usually does a decent job with landscapes and buildings. However, SL on the COS cover looks like he recycled it from his cover art for Asimov's The Currents of Space.
Airmech@worldnet.att.net: I'm no expert on birds but it looks like Rand is about to be attacked by a large Wren. Maybe the Aielman with the eight foot spear will help.
More on Rand's buff arms:
The main thing that caught my attention was the size of his arms. If he is that big, Perrin wouldn't even fit on the cover. I think Sweet could at least be consistent; in the other covers, Rand was nowhere near that big. I suppose while Rand was waiting for aCoS to be written, he went to Gold's Gym and worked out every other day.--Matt Stabile
To me it looks like he is saying "Which way to muscle beach?".--Bob Mahoney
And the "dragon tatoos":
[The guy on the cover is] Rand. Look at the wrists. (Of course, those could easily be mistaken for golden geckos, not the dragons they are.)--Nathan Lundblad
And the goofy arm pose:
Mason Houtz: Overall, I don't like the painting much either. But, it's well done and conveys a properly spooky mood, even if Rand is jerking off two of his invisible giant friends.
Alistair YoungOh no! It's the Ogier and pedophilia thread again!
David Watkins: Question: what the hell is Rand
carrying in his hands on the cover? It looks like he has something
that he's grasping with both hands, but I don't remember any mention
of him carrying anything in the book. Any ideas?
Evan "Skwid" Langlinais: ObLoy/Beavis&Butthead: Lews "Long Dong" Therin's Reborn Schlong. HTH
Tony Z : This whole cover art thing has been bothering me since I first lay eyes on the cover of TEotW. Darrell K. Sweet had always been my favorite cover artist! He's done covers for the Lord of the Rings (2 different editions, both which I liked), 2 editions of Thomas Covenant series (all 6), the second of which I thought were incredible; he's done all of Terry Brooks' stuff (I think--most of it anyway). My point is, what's with him? I can hardly tell it's by the same guy! Does anyone know anything about him, and why his work is degenerating so?
For more groovy D.K.Sweet cover art, check out some Piers Anthony books, L. E. Modesitt 's "Recluse" books, some Barbara Hambly books, some Pratchett books (US editions), The Riddlemaster of Hed books, the man is everywhere!